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1.2 billion. Still strong despite the way so many go on in the blogosphere. Last Pope? Hope he’s not assassinated. Do you think there should be a quota for female Popes? Joan?
African do you think? Someone just said on the Beeb they hope he’ll be less conservative. No, the exact opposite – he needs to be completely conservative and do his job. This is no time for vacillating.
Oh my goodness – a Jesuit? Last Pope then. This is history, might even be the end.
Set off on a path of love and brotherhood? Just as the EU says. The Bruderheist in Germany are into that too. Love of what is the question.
He was reportedly runner-up to Pope Benedict XVI in the 2005 papal election. He has long specialised in the kind of pastoral work that many say will be an essential skill for the next pope.
Many thoughts. Seems soft, which means he has minders. Who? Jesuits. Some episodes on them:
The enemy within. The last episode here speaks of their downfall and that was mentioned this evening when it was stated that the Church resists the Papacy of a Jesuit. The Jesuits are not Christian, they are political. Better to be the power behind the throne rather than the throne.
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This in now from Chuckles:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/03/10/cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio/1976847/
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They’ve elected an Argie! Just wait for the Malvinas speech, it won’t be long now. Kirchner must have bankrupted the treasury with bribes for the cardinals. OK, you old ratbag, this is war. Did anyone ever tell you that you look like Joan Collins on a bad day? Expect non-stop Belgrano jokes in future. Now I’m off to Sainsbury’s to dent some corned beef tins.
If you could bear to look at the vids above, it includes but is also a bit more frightening than that.
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By “Joan”, do you mean Joan of Arc – who was burned by us in front of a jeering Rouen mob (“burn the witch”, etc) – on the orders of a French ecclesiastical court for wearing trousers? This was after our French allies had captured and tried to sell Joan to the “official” French side, who were loath to pay ransom for the upstart daughter of a peasant.
The fact that one of her judges was the Vicar to the Inquisitor of Heretical Perversity didn’t help. Our cross-channel “partners” have conveniently forgotten some of the facts, and from the time of her official rehabilitation 25 years after her death have been blaming “les goddams” (as they called us) for her execution.
OK, a Jesuit Argie. Fantastic – a Falklands inquisition, starting out from Stanley’s catholic church. Protestant penguins beware.
I cant help it. Bergoglio, is that beergoggles in English?
blaming “les goddams”
Today we’re called les f***offs, are we not?
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If only we would!
If you are interested, swing by my place. I just posted the Jesuits Oath.
It don’t look good, folks.
CR.
http://captainranty.com/pope-frankies-oath/
Yep, it’s episode 36 above too.
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Of course, I’m not a Catholic, but I felt it important to dispel this myth and inform Captain Ranty – the Jesuit Oath he posted on his blog, is, in fact, a very old and famous hoax, most recently circulated and attributed to Dr. Alberto Rivera (but suspected to have roots even older than that).
So much anti-Catholicism here. All good drones following anti-Papist (hiss, boo) agitprop laid down by Henry and Elizabeth’s thought-police even 400 years later. Just think, people will be making videos about anti-feminists in centuries to come. All those wicked MEN!!!(tm) who tried to regain the evil Patriarchy and infiltrate the oppressed womyn who only want ‘reformation’ and Peace and Nurturing and Conflict Resolution. And they will be lapped-up too.
Amfortas, you cannot be selective about which prejudices you give credence. My husband was educated by Jesuits, I think the school was in Lancashire. I think you could look it up. I know he encountered the great and good more at school, that is, in greater numbers, than he did at Oxford.
Whatever, he has stayed moral and upstanding beyond what is called for, and sometimes to my irritation. He is not a pragmatist.
It’s funny how you are outraged by anti-Catholic stuff but you have such strong issues. As someone who doesn’t identify as feminist, I have to say that there are parts of that philosophy that appeal. Equally, lots that I don’t go along with. Truly, this is about equal opportunity, equal pay for the same job. That is all.
To make feminism all about abortion is silly. Every political group is nuanced. Realistically, if anyone in Tasmania was arrested (I know this relates to a different post) for expressing an opinion, all hell would let loose. I think you know that.
Another two matters. Ian Hills (above) may like to rattle sabres, even making accusation of Argentinian State payoffs to Cardinals (show us your evidence) and almost begging for more war. On the other hand the fragile Argentinian psyche might just be pleasured enough by having a countyman as Pope that they need no further ‘recognition’ on the International stage by piracy and oppression of a small population on a remote island.
The other matter is this Jesuit bizzo. Whilst this man may show all the hallmarks of one who can live simply without taking trappings, his fellows are the main ‘Church’ instigators of the very ‘Social Justice’ crowd that have taken over much of the west’s church organisation at Parish level. To me this Social Justice is an ironic take-over of the Society of Jesus abbreviation. Perhaps this Pope can find the right balance between saving souls on the one hand (the Primary mission) and social engineering in the World on the other. The Flesh and the Devil seem to be the bigger problems rather than the poor who seem always to be with us (including me).
The videos above strongly oppose Jesuits. I wonder if the chap who spent so much time and effort on them intends to direct similar attention to today rather than centuries ago and today’s horrific religious troops in the Muslim world who are currently busy murdering Catholics wherever they are vulnerable. Perhaps he is one, masquerading.
There’s actually a mixture of three things, Amfortas. One is my stance which is Christian, happy that 1.2 million Catholics are still keeping Them at bay but not happy about the Jesuits. Then there are those who are plain anti-Christian and then there are neutrals. And I presume you’re Catholic.
Seems to me that it’s more anti-Jesuit than anything and it seems with good cause.
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If new Francis is anything like St Francis he will be a kindly old chap, sworn to renouncing any hint of wealth and living a simple life. Fat chance of that. He isn’t even a Franciscan. Still, give the fellow a chance.
Just had a look and it’s by no means established it is a fake oath. Also, are the Jesuit annotations in the Douay Rheims NT 1582 true or not?
I know of Rivera and Chick and again – one side says they are debunked, the other says that’s what the other side would say, wouldn’t they?
We can’t take anyone’s word here but we can observe their behaviour and the fruits which come from them – that’s if we can get them correctly reported.
As for the record in Congress, what’s that? It’s another Obama birth certificate. An official version is submitted, the real version held back and as all members are bound by an oath of secrecy, then it doesn’t get out. It’s like government unemployment figures.
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Whether or not the oath is a famous hoax it doesn’t justify all this hyperventilating. Do we take every word of the OT literally?
James,
I concede that perhaps both are speculation – but the Jesuit oath that was referred to/presented here did not include the sources by which it was obtained.
To pass it along as if it were fact anyway only heightens people’s fears unnecessarily about someone we known nothing about yet, which then makes it propaganda.
Or is that what was intended?