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10 Responses to “10 point plan for Israel”

1. Amfortas, on November 16th, 2012 at 06:33 Said:

   Here is something that has not been tried. I would love to sit back and watch it and what happens.

   Send in a team of Feminists to negotiate a peace deal.

   Think I am nuts?

   Well, Feminists have been telling we cloth-eared men that women are ‘naturally’ superior communicators. Apparantly they excel at negotiating and conciliation. They are ‘peace-makers’ and ‘nurturers’. They excel at ‘conflict resolution’, we are told.

   So, let them at it. Let them wheel and deal with the Hamas leaders. Heck, most feminists are lefties who seem to think that the Palestinians are the good guys. It should be a doddle for them.

   I propose that we don’t wait for Ju-liar Gillard to get thrown out of office as a complete dud, but send her NOW, to head a negotiation delegation. She could have a life-line to a redemption of her meltdown career.

   She could be joined at the table by such luminaries of the movement as say Germaine Greer and Harriet Harman, indeed there are a large number to choose from, all having demonstrated their superb skills and ability to change (whoops, I almost said manipulate then, but that would be sexist – and womynipulate is still a bit of a mouthful) people’s minds.

   Come along Gals, before we spend a friggin’ fortune on defensive walls and hole-filling expiditions.

   
   
2. Nixon Scraypes, on November 16th, 2012 at 18:21 Said:

   Israel good,Palestine bad,Jews good,Muslims evil,have I got it now? Oh good I’ll get out my portable nukes and sort it all out and then Jesus can continue to boil in excrement(Talmud, not me,look it up)

   
   
3. Revolution Harry, on November 16th, 2012 at 23:41 Said:

   James, I have several questions I’m afraid.

   The State of Israel was clearly a creation of Them helped in no small way by the terrorist activities that resulted in many of the local inhabitants to either flee or be removed from their land. What, in your opinion, justified this and subsequent land captures? It seems you wish this to be continued by further expansion on the West Bank. Again what do you think justifies this? Please add any Biblical justifications you think are relevant. I say this because it seems you support the destruction of the mosque on the Temple Mount and the rebuilding of a temple there. Do you not think this will lead to an outbreak of serious violence and most likely war across the Middle East and perhaps even beyond? Do you think this and any subsequent loss of life would be justified?

   You’re a Christian. Jesus in Matthew 24 prophesied the destruction of the Temple which then occurred in 70AD. A temple which was, amongst other things, was completely superfluous. The animal sacrifices were merely part of the old Covenant that pointed towards the sacrifice of Jesus himself on the cross. His blood atoned for all of our sins making the sacrifice of animals in a temple unnecessary. If God destroyed the second Temple and if any sort of physical earthly temple was not now required why would God want a new one to be built? Many of those who take a ‘futurist’ view of prophecy seem to consider a rebuilding of a third temple a precursor to Jesus Christ’s return. Is this your view and if so where in the Bible is a third temple being rebuilt prophesied?

   When the Israeli’s ‘strike back’ should they do it randomly putting at risk women and children? If not who should they target?

   I have more but I’ll spare you them for now. Nixon makes a good point though. The (Babylonian) Talmud appears to be the primary spiritual resource of the majority of Judaism. Have you researched the Talmud at all and if so what are your thoughts on it.

   Regards,

   Harry.

   
   
4. James Higham, on November 17th, 2012 at 00:59 Said:

   Harry, it was clearly tongue in cheek and I thought you’d drop by.

   A mid-east, Jewish and Biblical scholar would know that if 3 and 4 were implemented, then that’s the first of the all in-wars leading to Armageddon.

   Whilst I’m sure that’s the Rothschild/Nethanyahu long-term plan, there is the little matter of the red heifer and cornerstone first.

   http://www.templeinstitute.org/red_heifer/red_heifer_contents.htm

   As for the Dome, they appear to be digging under as we write.

   Then we have the issue of exactly where the temple is anyway. From my book, this part written in about 2006, which quotes various sources:

   He looked at the other two, nodded and then began.

   ‘Rebuilding the Temple of Solomon involved razing to the ground the usurping golden “Dome of the Rock” and Al-Aqsa Mosque. All Jews know and many others do too that since Bar Kochba’s revolt in A.D. 135, Judaism has asserted that only the Messiah is capable of rebuilding the Temple. So they’ve been waiting for a Messiah who could rebuild it.

   The ‘Christian’ Right in America, actually in the hands of the enemy, started to call for measures to allow Israel to fulfil its destiny, which, together with the Jewish lobby in the U.S., influenced congress to produce a feasibility study, beginning with the joint administration of the Haram esh-Sharif site, something the Muslims were set against.

   Dr. Ernest L. Martin said that the Jewish Temples never were built on the present “Temple Mount” but were actually located a fourth of a mile south over Gihon Spring.

   Josephus, Eleazar and Jesus himself all seem to indicate that no sign of the Second Temple would remain. Also, descriptions of Haram esh-Sharif seemed to indicate that the current site was, in fact, Fort Antonia.

   Early Church Fathers and pilgrims spoke of a large rock outcropping as the Praetorium. Archaeologists have confirmed that the original City of David was built on the southeastern ridge of Jerusalem.

   Ancient Jewish law required that a live spring be located within the Temple for ritual purification, Davidic “living water”.

   Aristeas viewed the Temple in about 285 B.C. and stated quite categorically that the Temple was located over an inexhaustible spring that welled up within the interior part of the Temple.

   Tacitus, in about A.D.105, stated that “the Temple at Jerusalem had within its precincts a natural spring of water.”

   No natural springs have ever been found within the Haram esh-Sharif. Sir Charles Warren examined all beneath the Haram, and found no archaeological remains identified with the Second Temple.

   ‘You’re right into this, aren’t you?’ smiled Emma. ‘Go on, it’s interesting.’

   ‘Well, as Jay Gary pointed out, in The Temple Time Bomb, in 2001, ‘If the Temple never was located at the supposed Temple Mount then a major obstacle dividing Israelis and Palestinians could be put to rest.

   He also pointed out that Dr. Martin died of a heart attack in 2002.

   Now, as it’s not in the interests of the enemy provocateurs to promote Arab-Israeli harmony, this story about the real location of the Temple has been largely suppressed. Therefore, while a big hue and cry about the Temple on the Mount was going on, the foundation stone of the new temple, the real one, far smaller, in the correct place, has already been laid and foundation work is proceeding apace.

   Meanwhile, the Prince has joined with the American President in permitting the cornerstone of the faux Temple to be laid – it doesn’t much matter where the Temple was built, as long as the Jews believe it is in the right place – this has caused the middle-east to erupt and it’s war.

   Countries like Iran are now going hell for leather to build the nuclear device.

   As for the secrets beneath the Temple Mount, whatever they are – the crucial kingmaking codes, the ark and tablets – they’re already elsewhere. So, there’s a coming conflagration over a dispute which never need have existed and that suits the book of the enemy.

   The Arabs see it all as the end times.’

   ‘And is it?’ asked Emma.

   ‘Looks like it to me although there’ve been terrible times in the past when it all looked over. This does seem to fulfil the criteria though.’

   ‘How?’

   ‘Child against parent, dysfunction in all things, mass movement of people, no one believing in God, zombyishness across the world, small pockets of resistance sought out and eliminated, general promiscuity, false prophets, false messiahs and so on. It’s the closest history has got where everyone’s involved in it. Traitors everywhere.’
   

   And then the Christian take. From my own book again [about 2006]:

   ‘It’s a bit complicated. The theory goes that as we approach the true end times, not the ones falsely believed to be so along the way, we’ll know it because of certain things happening.

   Firstly, there’ll be a ‘falling away’. This refers to lawlessness, children turning on parents, debauchery, all that sort of thing.

   I think this starts the Tribulation, which lasts seven years but no one knows if that’s seven man years or what. It gets worse and worse as it goes on. Halfway through that, the antichrist enters the newly built Temple in Jerusalem, which suggests to me, from reading, that the Muslims have been defeated.

   Up till now, he has posed as the friend of Israel but once inside the inner sanctum of the Temple, he now desecrates it in something called ‘the desolation of abomination’.

   No one really knows what it’s about and some think it might already have happened in 70 AD or perhaps when Caligula desecrated the Temple. People who believe that are called preterists.

   After the antichrist does this and declares himself, the real tribulation occurs – murder, torture, rape, pillage, with all good people wiped off the face of the earth, dying in horrible ways – that sort of thing.’

   ‘Thanks, Hugh,’ put in Emma.

   ‘Somewhere along the line, the Messiah appears and saves the believers.’

   They’re the theories anyway. So it doesn’t much matter really where the Temple is as long as the Jews believe it is in the right place. Some sort of false messiah can make that happen. As to what I believe personally, it doesn’t much matter – I can’t know according to the Bible – hence no point speculating.

   By the way, the Them view is, for what it’s worth is below [Centrex Radio interview - 2000]. Just because I reprint this transcript, it doesn’t mean I accept it. I’m just a scholar, that’s all – I read things, note them and move on:

   The UN was created early in this century in order to help overcome one of the biggest barriers to a one world government necessary, if there is to be a military rule and dictatorship by the Illuminists.

   That barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in one’s country. FDR was their man in America who helped the American public accept it). Both he and Eleanor were staunch Illuminists. So is Shirley Temple Black. In fact, most of our presidents since the beginning of the past century have been either Illuminists, or agreed by oath to support their goals, in return for campaign funds and support. I believe it is impossible to win a presidential election in our country today without their backing.

   The Kennedy family were punished because they tried to disobey them. They were free thinkers, and too hard to “control”.

   I was told that by the year 2020, that the New Order would be openly revealed, BUT that may have been cult propaganda, and they are always changing dates.

   And:

   Q: What are the plans of the Illuminati for the Middle East and how will it affect the rest of the world? Will we see WWIII?

   A: The conflict in the middle east is only to the advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel, and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are biding their time. One of the olive branches offered by the UN when it takes over is that they will prevent war in the middle east, and this will be greeted with joy by many.

   At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the conflict fueled. They are very duplicitous people.

   They used to funnel guns through the USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of promoting “friendliness” between the USSR and this state and other arab nations. Then, the US Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel, for the same reason. These people love the game of chess, and see warfare between nations as creating an order out of chaos.

   Want to hear the end of the world scenario the Illuminati taught me? It was cult propaganda, but this is how they believed the New Order would be ushered in:

   There will be continued conflict in the Middle East, with a severe threat of nuclear war being the culmination of these hostilities. An economic collapse that will devastate the economy of the US and Europe, much like the great depression.

   One reason that our economy continues limping along is the artificial support that the Federal Reserve had given it, manipulating interest rates, etc. But one day, this won’t work (or this leverage will be withdrawn on purpose) and the next great depression will hit. The government will call in its bonds and loans, and credit card debts will be called in. There will be massive bankruptcies nationwide.

   Europe will stabilize first and then Germany, France and England will have the strongest economies, and will institute, through the UN, an international currency. Japan will also pull out, although their economy will be weakened.

   Peacekeeping forces will be sent out by the UN and local bases to prevent riots. The leaders will reveal themselves, and people will be asked to make a pledge of loyalty during a time of chaos and financial devastation. Doesn’t sound pleasant, does it? I don’t know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn’t want to even guess.

   The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless.

   I need to reiterate that it doesn’t much matter if it does occur this way – it’s whether they believe it will – that creates a certain self-actualizing tendency, like self-fulfilling prophecies.

   That’s what we’re really dealing with here.

   
   
5. Amfortas, on November 17th, 2012 at 01:22 Said:

   “When the Israeli’s ‘strike back’ should they do it randomly putting at risk women and children? If not who should they target?”

   Was ‘randomly putting men at risk’ not worth the mention? Is that a wad of misandry in your back pocket or is it your arse hanging out?

   
   
6. James Higham, on November 17th, 2012 at 01:42 Said:

   Your question crossed with my reply, Amfortas. Harry knew I knew much of the above so his question was also tongue in cheek.

   
   
7. Revolution Harry, on November 17th, 2012 at 02:18 Said:

   Mmm, ok Amfortas. Surely you could see that I wasn’t enamoured by the idea of any sort of ‘strike back’. My failure to mention men, rather than being misandrist, was more to emphasise the horror of indiscriminate attacks and their targeting of the innocent in the sense that the vast majority of the protagonists, on both sides, are men. You had a point and you’re welcome to make it but the additional insult wasn’t really necessary.

   James, I suspect I’ll have a slightly longer response to your comment but it’ll have to wait until tomorrow evening. I really should go to bed : )

   
   
8. Amfortas, on November 17th, 2012 at 02:26 Said:

   Harry, my apologies. The pints are on me.

   You will notice that my suggestions far above took neither side in a complex and error/angst-ridden history.

   
   
9. James Higham, on November 17th, 2012 at 04:09 Said:

   I have a piece coming up on Sunday which includes much of the above and some of this:

   http://revolutionharry.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/pied-pipers-of-truth-movement-how-about.html#more

   That piece and the comments below are well worth a read in the interim, especially about Brian Gerrish.

   Talmud – huge area and then Kabbalah and Ashkenazis.

   
   
10. Revolution Harry, on November 18th, 2012 at 23:53 Said:

    Amfortas, that’s fine, no problem. As it happens I made the mistake of not realising James’ original article was somewhat tongue in cheek.

    James, I’ll make a comment on your newer article that deals with the above.