Comments on: US Healthcare Bill – just checking the facts http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:40:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: James Higham http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18664 James Higham Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:51:56 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18664 No, that's just silly, Anon. Why are you putting extreme strawmen? Naturally that comes under the special category I mentioned where the redeployed staff look at it. It begins with those under a certain income, cuts out those who go to this situation soon after the scheme is floated - the whole thing being to stop abuse and works through everyone after that. There are two words which Labour doesn't seem to understand [over here] - common sense. Nothing draconian - just pure common sense which covers all bases and doesn't rip off the taxpayer. having a means tested health benefit will create a large bureacracy in order to work out who meets the means test One of the misconceptions always trotted out. It just needs a reading on a screen. It's done every day and requires no more staff unless you are a leftist dedicated to bureaucratic staff for the sake of it. No, that’s just silly, Anon. Why are you putting extreme strawmen? Naturally that comes under the special category I mentioned where the redeployed staff look at it. It begins with those under a certain income, cuts out those who go to this situation soon after the scheme is floated – the whole thing being to stop abuse and works through everyone after that.

There are two words which Labour doesn’t seem to understand [over here] – common sense. Nothing draconian – just pure common sense which covers all bases and doesn’t rip off the taxpayer.

having a means tested health benefit will create a large bureacracy in order to work out who meets the means test

One of the misconceptions always trotted out. It just needs a reading on a screen. It’s done every day and requires no more staff unless you are a leftist dedicated to bureaucratic staff for the sake of it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18656 Anonymous Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:28:11 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18656 So lets assume that you aren't a breadwinner- and you get cancer. You can't go to A and E because it is not an accident or emergency- according to your system James you die painfully? You say you don't want a large bureacracy but having a means tested health benefit will create a large bureacracy in order to work out who meets the means test. There is a lot of literature on this subject- you need to refine your ideas here. So lets assume that you aren’t a breadwinner- and you get cancer. You can’t go to A and E because it is not an accident or emergency- according to your system James you die painfully?

You say you don’t want a large bureacracy but having a means tested health benefit will create a large bureacracy in order to work out who meets the means test. There is a lot of literature on this subject- you need to refine your ideas here.

]]> By: dearieme http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18653 dearieme Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:58:49 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18653 Many bloggers point out that no Americans are without "health care" - what they lack is insurance. If they have no insurance, and no cash, and lack eligibilty for Medicare or Medicaid, then they get their health care at A & E. Or so I understand. Many bloggers point out that no Americans are without “health care” – what they lack is insurance. If they have no insurance, and no cash, and lack eligibilty for Medicare or Medicaid, then they get their health care at A & E. Or so I understand.

]]> By: James Higham http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18615 James Higham Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:48:04 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18615 Similar to how the dole will be here after the election - means tested, prior history, prospects of work, genuineness of disability etc. but a bit different in some ways - not for dependents but delivered to the breadwinner who signs for any care the dependents receive. Conversion of existing offices to house the bureaucrats who are out of work in other areas due to reduction of the public sector and now swing over to this. It wouldn't be the whole 15-30 million who'd get it but the 7 million or so breadwinners. The essential thing would be to prevent it burgeoning into a vast bureaucracy with administrators by the dozen. With existing databases, it would be relatively easy to ascertain eligibility online, according to guidelines, with those transferred bureaucrats mopping up the special cases. Similar to how the dole will be here after the election – means tested, prior history, prospects of work, genuineness of disability etc. but a bit different in some ways – not for dependents but delivered to the breadwinner who signs for any care the dependents receive. Conversion of existing offices to house the bureaucrats who are out of work in other areas due to reduction of the public sector and now swing over to this.

It wouldn’t be the whole 15-30 million who’d get it but the 7 million or so breadwinners. The essential thing would be to prevent it burgeoning into a vast bureaucracy with administrators by the dozen. With existing databases, it would be relatively easy to ascertain eligibility online, according to guidelines, with those transferred bureaucrats mopping up the special cases.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18597 Anonymous Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:29:19 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18597 Still unconvinced James- how do you give it only to those 30 million or 15 million (still a bloody big number)- how do you organise this? Still unconvinced James- how do you give it only to those 30 million or 15 million (still a bloody big number)- how do you organise this?

]]> By: James Higham http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18588 James Higham Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:32:15 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18588 Give it specifically to those 15 million but don't create a State leviathan for every person. It's quite simple really. One is the common sense, Anon, that you refer to and the other is a socialist panacea - two completely different animals. Give it specifically to those 15 million but don’t create a State leviathan for every person. It’s quite simple really. One is the common sense, Anon, that you refer to and the other is a socialist panacea – two completely different animals.

]]> By: Bill quango MP http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18579 Bill quango MP Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:48:56 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18579 I don't think 30 million Americans don't have healthcare? More like 15 million have no insurance and non insured people receive about half the level of healtcare $ per person as insured do. Most healthcare seems funded by employers. The unemployed don't receive that. But pregnancy and maternity in the UK is funded by employers so its not that odd. I confess to not knowing much about US health care other than its ruinously expensive and even our NHS system seems a cheaper alternative. I don’t think 30 million Americans don’t have healthcare? More like 15 million have no insurance and non insured people receive about half the level of healtcare $ per person as insured do.

Most healthcare seems funded by employers. The unemployed don’t receive that.
But pregnancy and maternity in the UK is funded by employers so its not that odd.

I confess to not knowing much about US health care other than its ruinously expensive and even our NHS system seems a cheaper alternative.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-18573 Anonymous Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:32:37 +0000 http://nourishingobscurity.com/2010/03/21/us-healthcare-bill-just-checking-the-facts/#comment-18573 Ok James- if the system Obama wants is part of the conspiracy to make the American public dependent on the state fine. But what system would you use to give healthcare to the 30 million Americans who have no insurance currently and therefore no health care? Ok James- if the system Obama wants is part of the conspiracy to make the American public dependent on the state fine. But what system would you use to give healthcare to the 30 million Americans who have no insurance currently and therefore no health care?

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