Peter Hain and the extreme right-wing Albion Alliance
Peter Hain addressed the Welsh Labour Conference held in Swansea from 26th to 28th February 2010 and accused his opponents of falling in with:
…the aims of the extreme right-wing “Albion Alliance”, a dubious organisation whose Chief organiser, John Higham, has posted on his own blog this highly offensive diatribe against Muslims …
I’ve been in touch with John, my half brother, today and he’s as puzzled as I am. “Surely James,” he asked, “the aims of your organization are:
1. To address the democratic deficit in the current political system by ensuring that MPs place country before political party.
2. To ensure that MPs agree to actively sponsor, promote and support, a Bill in Parliament that allows a referendum of the British People on membership of the European Union.
Isn’t that what you head your website with? Anyway, I was given to understand that you were a democratic organization and didn’t have a head?”
“That’s so, John. I’m afraid this is just Peter’s way of slandering someone but it’s quite OK and he’s allowed to do that in this country at this time because he’s a Government Minister. Ordinary people such as you and me get taken to court for grossly misrepresenting someone in UK-EU 2010.”
‘But that’s outrageous. Nobody is above the law.”
“John, John, when will you learn that of course MPs are above the law. The Times has just run an article on this very matter. If you join a group like the Albion Alliance which simply wants a voice for the people of the UK, whether, black white, purple or indifferent then even if you were once engaged to a Muslim and you chat to your Muslim friends every day, you are a dangerous fanatic, if Peter says so.”
“But why did he call you John?”
“Well, Peter doesn’t really deal in facts and figures. He subscribes to the “slander someone in an emotive way and hope it constitutes an argument” school of politics and little matters like getting the victim’s name right don’t actually come into it.”
“And are you an extremist?”
“John, anyone to the right of Marx is an extremist in Peter’s world view.”
“So what are you going to do now about him?”
“Well actually, I don’t plan to do anything more than call him up and have a drink with him to discuss the matter. The Albion Alliance though tell me they’ve started A NEW BLOG, so they might write something on him.”
“Pretty boring isn’t it – give us a referendum, give us a referendum, give us a referendum?”
“That’s why they’ve opened it up to all points of view so if Peter wanted, he could come over and post his vision of the EU and world government right there. As long as he doesn’t use bad language, he’s welcome to say what he likes.”
[Thanks politicsdotcodotuk for the use of the photo.]
Filed under: Politics & economics
Fraid I wasn’t so polite!
http://witteringsfromwitney.blogspot.com/2010/03/mendacious-hain.html
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John,
You must be doing something right to get up the nose of Hain.
Keep going but be very careful. You don’t know what you’ll find up there; certainly is not a pathway to a brain.
Dammit they (whomever they are) are SUPPOSED to spell your name right – most especially when slandering one don’t you think?
Being denounced by Peter Hain must be one anyone’s list of “things to do before I die”.
A silly if dangerous man, part of the Lib/Lab/Con pact desperately trying to hang onto power against a growing tide of public unease over our EU membership.
James, or should I say John…
How funny that Hain the Pain should brand the Albion Alliance as extreme right wing – the spin and lies know no bounds.
Democracy and putting people before party whips on the matter of the EU is maybe not fitting with the New Labour ideology, but it is anything but extreme.
I can’t wait for this lot to be kicked out of power, hopefully for an exceptionally long time. They will be happy for their voices to be heard and for their votes to count when they no longer have their hands on the levers of power.
O/T – and I don’t mean to imply anything by association, but the extremist bit by Hain reminded me of it.
Nick Griffin on R5 today fell into all the usual media traps that even a junior politician from a main party should know how to avoid.
Asked “Do you have Muslim friends?”
He foolishly answered “{pause}..I know some Muslims”
Feeble and laughable. The correct answer Nick is
“{Pause} Well Peter, if you consider that I am the leader of a party that is trying to restrict immigration into this country and that many people, especially in the media claim that I hold racist views, then would you think that I am a regular at the local mosque? {optional tag – In the working men’s clubs and pubs of Great Britain where I meet fellow supporters we don’t see too many of the extremist Islamics as its not really their culture to enjoy alcohol. Or music. Or freedom of speech…and ..etc}
See Nick? It gets your point across and not the interviewers.
That is day one at BQ Media solutions. First tip is free..The BQ PR goup can let you have media coaching lessons at very unreasonable rates..
Sorry to ramble its just that he really is poor. No skills at all. I wouldn’t vote for the BNP if they promised to double my very sizeable expenses but really…Its the amateurishness of it I can’t abide. That and the stupidity. He reminds me of some politician who has stock phrases and brings up issues not related to the subject..trots out cliches and never has anything new to say. Just a desperate attempt to appeal to people because they are of the same race..
You know I just realised..
Its Peter Hain!
or taxpayers money to fund their propaganda and fake charities.
I really am enjoying this, thanks people and Bill – you’re not rambling.
Hain is such an odious piece of slime, James, and he certainly made sure that he didn’t let any truthful sentences escape from his mouth during his last two appearances on Question Time.
And this is the first time I’ve ever signed up to an extreme right-wing organisation in my life.
Looks like the Albion Alliance has put the wind up them!
Its become the standard method of slandering your opponents, to slander them as racists. Woman in my office who resents my position did the same, in spite of the fact I had recently hired two Muslim Pakistani chaps. They were somewhat bemused.
Keep it up Peter, this sort of loony talk simply entrenches the stubborn streak in the Anglo-Saxon psych.
As Wolfie says. Slandering people seems to be order of the day rather than proper political debate.
And if you are going to be stupid you need at least to get someones name right to even have a half chance of seeming sensible;-)
Sigh!
Hain is an all round bad egg in my opinion – not a very technical analysis of the man but I believe an accurate one.
I may have said this before, but the man does not seem, well, quite alive, if you know what I mean.
In Swansea? I missed that.
Sackerson,
Sadly he is not ‘dead’enough. Soon my pretties…Soon.
Why didn’t you include the bit Hain said was racist:
That sounds like a call to exterminate mosques and to do so with some, if a minimum of bloodshed. Furthermore Hain never said that the Albion Alliance backed this- read his words carefully, he said its chief organiser had said this on his blog.
The reason I didn’t include the one line Hain took from the many posts on this blog on the subject of the Muslim leadership [as distinct from the Muslim people themselves – completely different set of people] is that I would have had to have sued him for gross distortion and misrepresentation.
He is a very dishonest man in the way he does that [whether or not he is honest in any other part of his life]. You will find no other post on Hain here because I have not been concerned with him until his unprovoked attack.
The Head of the Muslim School in London wrote twice to this blog and was posted without editing. We agreed to disagree but nowhere did he accuse me of racism [the current catch-cry of the dishonest who have no arguments]. That was because there was no racism – just a discussion of issues.
Did Hain mention those at all? Not a bit of it. Instead, he got his lackeys to trawl through anything which could be used emotively and finally, at the end of one post where the whole thrust of the post was understanding between people and how the Muslim leadership was trying to destroy that understanding, he found something he could take in isolation and use as the whole thrust of what the stance of this blog is.
Such a dishonest person [in this respect] cannot be answered – he’s not interested in that. He’s only interested in trouble and scoring points. This has been recognized by the other commenters on this post.
You might send Peter this link for his further education:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse
Interesting that you yourself remain anonymous.
Further, if you really wish to debate my statements, please read them first but also read those of the commenters below this post:
http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/08/islam-uninformed-perceptions-and.html
In conclusion, I answered the Muslim leader who commented this way:
Argue facts please, Hainian devotees, not distortions.
I am currently reading a factual book on this problem. It is quite inspirational and explains what the real problem is in easily understood terms.
It discusses how everyday Muslims are quite appalled about extremist thoughts and talks of their feelings about Americans (in general) and about how one man has made a difference such a troubled region.
Will blog on it when I have finished, maybe that will help.
Let’s hope your dentist isn’t a Hain supporter…
P.S. Who, but a complete cnut would ask for a £14,000 rise in his staffing allowance, employ his mother as his secretary, and object to the ban on MPs employing family members?