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		<title>By: nourishing obscurity &#187; Tidying up some loose ends</title>
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		<dc:creator>nourishing obscurity &#187; Tidying up some loose ends</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;liberal Christians&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Oxymoron, Yewtree.

Xxxl - knowing your cosmic view, this was not unexpected. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>liberal Christians</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Oxymoron, Yewtree.</p>
<p>Xxxl &#8211; knowing your cosmic view, this was not unexpected. <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yewtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yewtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it annoys me when people conflate Christianity with religion, and tar all religions with the same brush.

The reason people don&#039;t like Christianity is because of its exclusivism (the view that only Christians will get to heaven), vicarious atonement theology and its judgmental attitudes.  When these are removed (as they are by many liberal Christians), the antipathy is retained only by extreme fundamentalist atheists, who can&#039;t tell the difference between different types of religion, and assume that it&#039;s all equally irrational.

Thanks for your thoughts on Joan of Arc, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it annoys me when people conflate Christianity with religion, and tar all religions with the same brush.</p>
<p>The reason people don&#8217;t like Christianity is because of its exclusivism (the view that only Christians will get to heaven), vicarious atonement theology and its judgmental attitudes.  When these are removed (as they are by many liberal Christians), the antipathy is retained only by extreme fundamentalist atheists, who can&#8217;t tell the difference between different types of religion, and assume that it&#8217;s all equally irrational.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts on Joan of Arc, too.</p>
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		<title>By: xxxl</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxxl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, on a point of FACT., that is a historical fact, as opposed to a mythological fact!  .......

The father of Jesus was NOT a carpenter. (That was/is propaganda)

He was a highly qualified/experienced &quot;artificier&quot;, on a par with the artificiers supplied by Omar Khayyam over a thousand years later to aid the Templar building spree. 

Jesus was equally well qualified. Similarly his brothers and sisters were each highly qualified/skilled &quot;operatives&quot; in their respective disciplines.

And the Sons and Daughters of Jesus were also equally highly trained/qualified/experienced.

That is why there was such Papal persecution over thousands of years. That knowledge/bloodline  had to be buried.

I have no objection to your holding certain &quot;beliefs&quot;, that is your concern, and I happen to understand that your beliefs, as you explain them, are highly beneficial to society as a whole, and would give &quot;strength&quot; in times of need, to those holding them. As you also know, I agree with you that those beliefs form a bastion against the intellectual nonsence that is being thrown around by the current power seekers. Your beliefs hold many truths.....if you were to research properly you would find so many more truths to hold dear.

However, on this blog you portray yourself as a seeker of truth, in all things relating to the current &quot;Scheme of Things&quot;.  You have even titled articles along that theme. If you wish to protect that image, in relation to all subjects, you really must do better research on something you claim to hold dear.

Currently the entire planet is approaching a very critical juncture. Knowledge that was common 2000/4000/6000 years ago would give mankind the ability to avoid that juncture. A completely new technology that is being actively buried by moneyed interests. They have very little time left, as certain spin-offs from that technology are surfacing in clinical medicine. The implication of these spin-offs is that the basic/prime technology IS understood.

Ah, love! could thou and I with Fate conspire

To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire

Would not we shatter it to bits and then

Re-mould it to the Heart&#039;s Desire.

That was a verse from the Rubaiyat, previously I just changed a word  :-)

Jesus was different to established practises/theories. He had Direct Experience of the Shekhinah. It is often stated that the Semitic obsession with a male god had resulted in the loss of the Shekhinah. He knew this and his words reflected his findings and understandings of the Shekhinah. That was the difference that created so many of his &quot;problems&quot;. (BTW that obsession also resulted in a significant rewriting of history by the semitic tribes in Babylonian captivity, which in turn resulted in an historically incorrect Old Testment. Remember that!)

You will find Shekhinah in Wiki. The Wiki entry is not entirely correct, there are nuances missing that are relevent.

In memory of a previous statement, I will refrain from further debate on this, in order to retain our friendship. If you wish to pursue, we must find a way of speaking personally.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, on a point of FACT., that is a historical fact, as opposed to a mythological fact!  &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>The father of Jesus was NOT a carpenter. (That was/is propaganda)</p>
<p>He was a highly qualified/experienced &#8220;artificier&#8221;, on a par with the artificiers supplied by Omar Khayyam over a thousand years later to aid the Templar building spree. </p>
<p>Jesus was equally well qualified. Similarly his brothers and sisters were each highly qualified/skilled &#8220;operatives&#8221; in their respective disciplines.</p>
<p>And the Sons and Daughters of Jesus were also equally highly trained/qualified/experienced.</p>
<p>That is why there was such Papal persecution over thousands of years. That knowledge/bloodline  had to be buried.</p>
<p>I have no objection to your holding certain &#8220;beliefs&#8221;, that is your concern, and I happen to understand that your beliefs, as you explain them, are highly beneficial to society as a whole, and would give &#8220;strength&#8221; in times of need, to those holding them. As you also know, I agree with you that those beliefs form a bastion against the intellectual nonsence that is being thrown around by the current power seekers. Your beliefs hold many truths&#8230;..if you were to research properly you would find so many more truths to hold dear.</p>
<p>However, on this blog you portray yourself as a seeker of truth, in all things relating to the current &#8220;Scheme of Things&#8221;.  You have even titled articles along that theme. If you wish to protect that image, in relation to all subjects, you really must do better research on something you claim to hold dear.</p>
<p>Currently the entire planet is approaching a very critical juncture. Knowledge that was common 2000/4000/6000 years ago would give mankind the ability to avoid that juncture. A completely new technology that is being actively buried by moneyed interests. They have very little time left, as certain spin-offs from that technology are surfacing in clinical medicine. The implication of these spin-offs is that the basic/prime technology IS understood.</p>
<p>Ah, love! could thou and I with Fate conspire</p>
<p>To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire</p>
<p>Would not we shatter it to bits and then</p>
<p>Re-mould it to the Heart&#8217;s Desire.</p>
<p>That was a verse from the Rubaiyat, previously I just changed a word  <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jesus was different to established practises/theories. He had Direct Experience of the Shekhinah. It is often stated that the Semitic obsession with a male god had resulted in the loss of the Shekhinah. He knew this and his words reflected his findings and understandings of the Shekhinah. That was the difference that created so many of his &#8220;problems&#8221;. (BTW that obsession also resulted in a significant rewriting of history by the semitic tribes in Babylonian captivity, which in turn resulted in an historically incorrect Old Testment. Remember that!)</p>
<p>You will find Shekhinah in Wiki. The Wiki entry is not entirely correct, there are nuances missing that are relevent.</p>
<p>In memory of a previous statement, I will refrain from further debate on this, in order to retain our friendship. If you wish to pursue, we must find a way of speaking personally.</p>
<p> <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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