Comments on: When is a traitor not a traitor?

By: thud

thud — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:33:48 +0000

My wife was born outside of U.k. and yet you could not find anybody more loyal to the Idea of England or Britain…some kitten some kipper.

By: xxxl

xxxl — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:16:38 +0000

This would constitute an attack on Nation States, ie, an enemy

By: Maverick

Maverick — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:05:05 +0000

In a Multi-Racial or Multi-cultural it is almost impossible for
the concept of loyalty to be enforced because people of different backgrounds invariably gravitate towards their own
ethnic or religious group.All of the 7/7 bombers had British
citizenship and (i think) were born here,but they allied themselves with the interests of their ethnic group.The same
can be said of Many I.R.A. sympathisers either born inside or
outside the U.K..The old adage “Blood is thicker than water”
and the “Kitten in a kipper box”are classic examples of the inherent problems built into an idea of Multi racial harmony.

By: jams O'Donnell

jams O'Donnell — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:19:21 +0000

Abusing corpses? how charming

By: Trooper Thompson

Trooper Thompson — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:33:44 +0000

Heath should be dug up and what’s left of his corpse abused.

Some time ago I read declassified documents concerning his meetings with President Pompidou prior to Britain joining the EEC, and it was crystal clear what the long-term goals were, and that these were concealed from the British people by an avalanche of lies.

The Thatcher Foundation had got these documents under FOI.

http://www.margaretthatcher.org/archive/heath-eec.asp

By: tally

tally — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:25:37 +0000

Harold Wilson recognised that belonging to the Common Market would eventually lead to the loss of sovereignty
to brussels so Heath knew exactly what he was doing.
In my mind the whole of the british establishment including the Monarchy is now Vichy and should be treated as the enemy within.

By: Wolfie

Wolfie — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:27:00 +0000

I was 6 in 1971 but I knew what Heath was.

Guess I was just a smarter child.

By: CherryPie

CherryPie — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:21:46 +0000

I think you need to change your dentist!!!

By: Bill quango MP

Bill quango MP — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:19:57 +0000

I don’t know the truth of the claims that officials told Heath that UK sovereignty would be completely gone by the end of the 20th century.
Heath must have been aware of the consequences of joining up, but thought that it wouldn’t matter as all laws would have to be passed in Brussels, under the eyes of euro MPs first.

Heath was wrong. Wrong on many things. Like Brown he could never begin to admit to that. But was he a traitor or just misguided?

{I am only 50 pages into
When the lights went out. I should have a better view once I’ve finished it.
I was only 6 in 1971, so my memory is more Mary, Mungo and Midge.}

By: James Higham

James Higham — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:59:09 +0000

QM – not a bad definition.

Bill – what do you say about the Connaught Hotel meetings, for the purpose of removing anti-EU comment in the media?

By: Bill quango MP

Bill quango MP — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:47:26 +0000

Traitor seems too strong.
Heath wanted to be in Europe as he looked into the books and saw UK decline to the level of Spain. It was EU or USA and neither really wanted us.

Gordon Brown reneged on an the firmest possible promise to a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. But he also kept sterling from the Euro against the wishes of Blair.

Thatcher who told the French Non! also signed Maastricht.

A true traitor must be Pétain. Not only led his country to a defeat in a world record beating time, but sold out both his own countrymen and his allies to the enemy. Turned the rump of the liberal third republic into autocratic Vichy state with himself holding all the power. Gave instructions to fight his former allies and capitulated again when the Nazis came back.
A traitor of the first order and sentenced to death by firing squad. Commuted to life imprisonment he died in 1951.

Why did France’s greatest hero do it? Age probably. Never, never put an 80 year old general in charge.

By: QM

QM — Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:42:19 +0000

It’s often a matter of definition or history, I tend to judge traitors by what they do to me and my country, not how they define themselves.