When is a traitor not a traitor?
As one usually does when dental work goes slightly wrong, one looks up old Iain Dale posts and here was a good one – Iain’s poll of the greatest political traitors.
Let’s broaden it beyond the UK though [this blog has American, Canadian and Russian readers too, one from France and one from Australia]. Take a traitor at random, say Vlasov. His army was captured by the Germans and in an extraordinary move, he joined the Germans in the attack on Moscow. His explanation was that Stalin was decimating the country [which he was] and this was the only way he could see of ridding the nation of this monster. The nation didn’t see it that way and he was executed [Vlasov, that is].
Or take Daniel Ellsberg, whom Kissinger called: “A fanatical drug-crazed sexual pervert, the most dangerous man in America, who has to be stopped at all costs.” Good coming from Kissinger, that one. What was his crime? He blew the whistle on the Vietnam War.
Or Philby who famously said, “To betray, one must first belong. I never belonged.”
Coming back to the UK, there were many names mentioned in Iain’s poll but one which consistently came through, together with Blair, Brown and Cameron [yes, even back then] was Heath. The argument centred round whether he was a traitor for misrepresenting, to the British people, the sovereignty aspect of the European Community, that sovereignty aspect quite clearly expressed in Amsterdam. In a similar way, Clarke is consistent in trying to get his country under the EU yoke. Cameron, on the other hand, is a turncoat, pretending to be Eurosceptic but in fact turned out to be an EU shill.
Now, some say Heath was not a traitor because the EC was always his policy, he campaigned on it and was elected on it. Others say yes he was because he sold a policy that he knew was false and that the country would lose its sovereignty.
Now, what about Blair? You could argue he’s not a traitor. After all, he lied about the 1993 Bilderberg Meeting which made him one of the globalists’ boys and he has been loyal to the globalists ever since, selling his country out and taking us into a ruinous war, not for the interests of the UK but on the say-so of his masters. So, like Philby, he is loyal to those he serves, in much the same way that Grima Wormtongue said, “I’ve only ever served one master.” Enemy? yes. Traitor? Debatable.
Obama, the non-President with the non-birth certificate – is he a traitor? Well, in terms of crippling the U.S. and selling it out – yes. In terms of his global socialist masters – no, he’s a good lad according to them.
In the end, the question of treason is always going to be: ‘To whom?”
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It’s often a matter of definition or history, I tend to judge traitors by what they do to me and my country, not how they define themselves.
Traitor seems too strong.
Heath wanted to be in Europe as he looked into the books and saw UK decline to the level of Spain. It was EU or USA and neither really wanted us.
Gordon Brown reneged on an the firmest possible promise to a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. But he also kept sterling from the Euro against the wishes of Blair.
Thatcher who told the French Non! also signed Maastricht.
A true traitor must be Pétain. Not only led his country to a defeat in a world record beating time, but sold out both his own countrymen and his allies to the enemy. Turned the rump of the liberal third republic into autocratic Vichy state with himself holding all the power. Gave instructions to fight his former allies and capitulated again when the Nazis came back.
A traitor of the first order and sentenced to death by firing squad. Commuted to life imprisonment he died in 1951.
Why did France’s greatest hero do it? Age probably. Never, never put an 80 year old general in charge.
QM – not a bad definition.
Bill – what do you say about the Connaught Hotel meetings, for the purpose of removing anti-EU comment in the media?
I don’t know the truth of the claims that officials told Heath that UK sovereignty would be completely gone by the end of the 20th century.
Heath must have been aware of the consequences of joining up, but thought that it wouldn’t matter as all laws would have to be passed in Brussels, under the eyes of euro MPs first.
Heath was wrong. Wrong on many things. Like Brown he could never begin to admit to that. But was he a traitor or just misguided?
{I am only 50 pages into
When the lights went out. I should have a better view once I’ve finished it.
I was only 6 in 1971, so my memory is more Mary, Mungo and Midge.}
I think you need to change your dentist!!!
I was 6 in 1971 but I knew what Heath was.
Guess I was just a smarter child.
Harold Wilson recognised that belonging to the Common Market would eventually lead to the loss of sovereignty
to brussels so Heath knew exactly what he was doing.
In my mind the whole of the british establishment including the Monarchy is now Vichy and should be treated as the enemy within.
Heath should be dug up and what’s left of his corpse abused.
Some time ago I read declassified documents concerning his meetings with President Pompidou prior to Britain joining the EEC, and it was crystal clear what the long-term goals were, and that these were concealed from the British people by an avalanche of lies.
The Thatcher Foundation had got these documents under FOI.
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/archive/heath-eec.asp
Abusing corpses? how charming
In a Multi-Racial or Multi-cultural it is almost impossible for
the concept of loyalty to be enforced because people of different backgrounds invariably gravitate towards their own
ethnic or religious group.All of the 7/7 bombers had British
citizenship and (i think) were born here,but they allied themselves with the interests of their ethnic group.The same
can be said of Many I.R.A. sympathisers either born inside or
outside the U.K..The old adage “Blood is thicker than water”
and the “Kitten in a kipper box”are classic examples of the inherent problems built into an idea of Multi racial harmony.
This would constitute an attack on Nation States, ie, an enemy
My wife was born outside of U.k. and yet you could not find anybody more loyal to the Idea of England or Britain…some kitten some kipper.