Comments on: Vale of Clwyd Labour AM Ann Jones calls referendum seekers “ragtag”

By: A friend calls us out « nourishing obscurity

A friend calls us out « nourishing obscurity — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:11:39 +0000

[...] Friend commented: James- some reasons why they might think you are anti-EU: [...]

By: James Higham

James Higham — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:55:55 +0000

This is addressed in a post tomorrow morning – too may political posts here today.

By: Friend

Friend — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 08:28:28 +0000

Moggs- they aren’t, read Burke one of the first conservatives with his speech to the electors of Bristol.

James- some reasons why they might think you are anti-EU,

1. The letter you address to them contains anti-EU propaganda about a super state swallowing the UK.

2. Most of your supporters are anti-EU- I can’t think of a prominent public supporter that you have who isn’t anti EU.

In terms of the referendum, it all depends on the question- the way that you have phrased your letters and the way that you have put the question suggests that your question would be biassed towards us leaving the EU.

Lastly I disagree with all this language about traitors to the people etc- many of these people genuinely beleive that staying in is right and that a Referendum is not needed on the EU (as we have had a referendum before and most things in the UK rightly are not decided by referenda). YOu may disagree with their views and you should argue they are wrong but invective is not argument, it merely makes your position looks weak.

By: Moggs Tigerpaw

Moggs Tigerpaw — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:19:43 +0000

What is happening is the fix is being exposed as the political establishment leans on people and thrashes around trying to confuse the message and spread disinformation.

They are powerful, widespread and effective at what they do tho.

Does anyone ever notice that MPs votes often don’t seem to really reflect their constituencies views. About all sorts of things. I thought in theory they were supposed to represent the people, not a clique.

Silly me.

By: CherryPie

CherryPie — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:59:18 +0000

QM,

On the whole the MSM seem to be no friends of the truth.

By: QM

QM — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:30:25 +0000

Just hope that your side of the story get reported honestly James, the MSM are no friends of ours after all.

By: Lady Macleod

Lady Macleod — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:27:32 +0000

Oh crickey, both sides of the bloody Pond are nutty! The politics in America continue to be Washington vs the People, as it appears is occurring in the UK as well. The public has to stop being lazy and use the power of the vote to enforce the fact that a politician’s job depends on customer satisfaction.

By: Mark Wadsworth

Mark Wadsworth — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:42:09 +0000

Excellent work, well done you and Ian J-P. First they ridicule you etc.