Comments on: Who’s carrying our banner?

By: William Gruff

William Gruff — Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:04:07 +0000

Magna Carta began nothing.

By: Trooper Thompson

Trooper Thompson — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:35:22 +0000

“I think, technically, in all parliamentary democracies, parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people.”

It’s not really a technical matter, and I’m sure this is not the case in England.

“Americans hang on to their Bibles and guns, but we in Europe don’t feel we are the actual owners of our politeia.”

True, and that feeling is correct.

By: Cassandra Troy

Cassandra Troy — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:39:04 +0000

Yes, it’s a sticky point because it’s the source of authority to power: the Mandate of Heaven. I think, technically, in all parliamentary democracies, parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people. That’s where psychology kicks in. In the minds of the people politics is running its course. But should they do something really unacceptable – say swap democracy for sharia law – would the unwashed grab a pitchfork for a march on parliament? Americans hang on to their Bibles and guns, but we in Europe don’t feel we are the actual owners of our politeia.

By: Trooper Thompson

Trooper Thompson — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:17:06 +0000

The people should be sovereign, and the powers of the state should be delegated from us. That is a solid foundation.

We don’t have a solid foundation, but as long as everyone concerned recognised this and acted accordingly, the rickety constitutional shack stayed up.

By: James Higham

James Higham — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:19:44 +0000

http://www.nriol.com/welcome2uk/politics-in-uk.asp

Parliament is the centre of the political system in the United Kingdom. It is the supreme legislative body (i.e. there is parliamentary sovereignty), and Government is drawn from and answerable to it. Parliament is bicameral, consisting of the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

By: James Higham

James Higham — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:09:38 +0000

No Cassandra, that’s wrong. Question to Tiberius – when was the last time the monarch overruled the Prime Minister? She is a constitutional monarch only, which Tiberius did not mention. In this country is prime ministerial rule and therefore those who elected him gave him the mandate.

You have hit, Cassandra, on a very touchy point.

By: Cassandra Troy

Cassandra Troy — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:50:49 +0000

Thanks, Gracchi. We’re subjects, all of us. Philosophically we have substituted God with the King, and the King with the State. This is what bothers me in Europe. The Treaty of Lisbon could have set this wrong right, but of course the statists didn’t want the people sovereign. In fact, they have been exploiting it because they knew that if it were up to them this super state modelled on the Soviert Union would never have happened.

By: gracchi

gracchi — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:32:05 +0000

I should note that George Garnett of Oxford has written the best stuff on this- see his article in Nigel Saul’s volume about medieval England, http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/HistoryWorld/British/Medieval/~~/dmlldz11c2EmY2k9OTc4MDE5Mjg5MzI0Ng==?view=usa&sf=toc&ci=9780192893246 (Personal disclaimer- George taught me so I might be indoctrinated!)

By: gracchi

gracchi — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:28:53 +0000

Technically James the crown owns all land in England and distributes it afterwards. What 1215 did was extend the privileges that we had with respect to our barons in Henry II’s courts- like taking a writ out if the baron fined us too much for inheriting our parent’s land, the writ of mort d’ancestor- to our barons with respect to the King. You are right that this placed the law above the King but it didn’t change the fact that the King was the ultimate owner of all land in a legal sense- and also that the law was the King’s law (James I made the point that I think might still be true, that if the King wanted he could just come down to the High Court and sit as a judge).

By: Cassandra Troy

Cassandra Troy — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:26:13 +0000

The bums ought to be thrown out everywhere!

By: James Higham

James Higham — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:59:13 +0000

In the UK, the mandate is only from the people. This was 1215. The fact that this only gave suffrage to the barons doesn’t matter – it was the start of the process.

By: Cassandra Troy

Cassandra Troy — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:21:03 +0000

I see it like this: (Europeans are natural statists of course, but apart of that) it’s a matter of sovereignty: who owns the land? I don’t know how this is in the UK (don’t tell me it’s the Queen or even The Crown!), but in the Netherlands the Government is sovereign; in the US it’s the people. Not that America doesn’t have a ruling elite, who’ve deposited the Constitution in the toilet, but it does explain the mindset of subjects and of a sovereign people. What do you think of this?

By: Trooper Thompson

Trooper Thompson — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:28:10 +0000

Alright James, you can add me to the list.

By: James Higham

James Higham — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:49:04 +0000

QM – thanks for those.

Cassandra – I’m writing to all my overseas contacts too because it all helps. The people here do go to o/s blogs and there are greater reader numbers in some countries. It’s all going to help if an MP who refuses to support the people is publicized on 100 blogs around the world – the MSM might even pick up on that.

We expect no initial success, quite the opposite but do feel something’s going to happen after that.

By: Cassandra Troy

Cassandra Troy — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:38:06 +0000

I’ve got a banner, but I doubt I can do much for your cause. I do however feel we’re in this all together. Our problems are the same. Just found this article on Hudson NY: “Where Have All The Consdervatives Gone”. I guess it sums it up: http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/01/where-have-all-the-conservatives-gone.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+hudsonny+(Hudson+New+York)&utm_content=Yahoo!+Mail

By: QM

QM — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:16:32 +0000

Calling England host Goodnight Vienna is one. Ambush Predator hosted by Julia has a link to the AA site. Edgar hosted by EdgarEgg has a link too. Norton Folgate carries the AA banner too.