Why there won’t be a Britain next year
My blog-colleague and I hope I can say friend, DK, has replied with his view [aligned with LPUK policy] on the referendum. Let me summarize DK’s view first.
He is just as Eurosceptic as anyone but where he differs from us is that he takes what I call the David Cameron line that five years down the track is soon enough to have a referendum on our relationship with the EU. The reason for not having it sooner, according to DK, is that the EU will simply pump money in for a Yes vote and if they get it, there’ll be no stopping them.
Better, he says, to wait and let the EU wreck Britain a bit first, people will see how bad it is and then a “cast-iron” No vote is assured.
I know this argument and it looks cogent at first sight. Unfortunately, it doesn’t take some factors into account:
1. The EU is going to pump money in anyway, the moment any UK referendum is mooted, whether it’s next year or five years down the track. It’s the chance of a lifetime for them because in one fell swoop, they can kill off Euroscepticism and nothing will then stop them. The money in Switzerland, London, Paris and Bavaria is obscene – they’ll have lovely young ladies and kids in yellow T shirts in every town, constantly campaigning for a Yes vote.
“No” will seem dour and angry, “Yes” will seem happy, bright, youthful and positive.
Not only that but they are poised anyway to pump money into regional businesses, the brakes will come off the economy, jobs are to be created with much fanfare and it will look, to the average punter, that heaven has arrived, even though it is unsustainable and designed purely to kill off scepticism.
The longer the time gap between the election and the referendum, the stronger this process will grip and the stronger the grip on our nation through the law.
2. There isn’t going to be a UK, a Britain after next year. This blog and others have been constantly mentioning 2012 and there are reasons for that. Let me direct you to a few links which show what I mean:
Hat tip to the Brussels Journal, via Ian Parker-Joseph, for this announcement today, Tuesday, December 1st:
With the coming into force of the Lisbon Treaty on Tuesday 1 December, members of the European Parliament, who up to now have been “representatives of the peoples of the States brought together in the Community” (Art.189 TEC), become “representatives of the Union’s citizens” (Art.14 TEU).
In which way to be governed?
DK himself, in an earlier article, points that out. EU Referendum here points to the lies and obfuscation attending this – they know very well it is out of order with the British people.
England is divided into nine regions. The names have changed since the map came out but the regions are still as is. This one is more up to date. They even have a new postcode system, e.g.:
| UKL | WALES | |||
| UKL1 | West Wales and The Valleys | |||
| UKL11 | Isle of Anglesey | |||
| UKL12 | Gwynedd | |||
| UKL13 | Conwy and Denbighshire | |||
| UKL14 | South West Wales | |||
| UKL15 | Central Valleys | |||
| UKL16 | Gwent Valleys | |||
| UKL17 | Bridgend and Neath Port Talbot | |||
| UKL18 | Swansea | |||
| UKL2 | East Wales | |||
| UKL21 | Monmouthshire and Newport | |||
| UKL22 | Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan | |||
| UKL23 | Flintshire and Wrexham | |||
| UKL24 | Powys |
Not only that but the regions are being targetted for “economic modernization” and poorer areas are being targetted for cash injections.
The strategic plan for the regions is to utilize the assemblies which Nu-Lab moved too quickly on and was rejected some years back, with the CP leadership in place, with a view to decentralization of power, i.e. regions need not fear that they will be subject to central power control from Brussels – they’ll be self-governing.
They stopped being “assemblies” and became “regional development agencies”.
This is what they believe but the money still comes through Brussels, much of it earmarked and Brussels will have a say, due to it’s legal framework [pdf], which even last night was altered.
The Whitebook on Multilevel Governance gives more detail on what they have in mind. Here is one region’s response to that and it shows the extent they’re willing to “co-operate”, in exchange for the folding stuff. Look at Point 10 in particular.
Not only is there collusion at regional level, regions having been told they can go down the drain by going it alone – a broken NHS, unbelievable debt, unemployment etc. or else their particular region can thrive with EU money, money taken off all of us in the first place – not only that but Westminster has been in collusion as well.
The method is divide and rule, with each region a baby piglet at its mother’s teats.
Rather than wade through the mass of EU regulations about the regions, a good path is to look at a particular region, e.g. Dublin and surrounds and see how the Irish see themselves working in with the EU.
This White Paper shows it quite clearly.
Conclusion
1 The money is what is sucking people in, that and the promise of jobs and a panacea of a good lifestyle but it is based on false accounting with no one thinking anything of it over there. The style is for secrecy and assuming new powers, bit by bit, governing every aspect of our lives.
For that reason alone we should be out of this illegal, illegitimate and criminal organization. Your loss of control over your own existence is already impinging through Health and Safety and a multitude of laws [3000 new ones under Nu-Labour] which it is hard to discern are Nu-Lab’s or the EU’s or both.
That’s one reason to be out.
2. The second is that the Scottish referendum is being fast-tracked and EU money is in here too. The aim? To first isolate and then break up England, which has always been the target and is now effectively broken anyway – the EU, as you saw in the papers above, is a regional affair under Brussels and became legally so today.
That is why the heading to this post was “Why there won’t be a Britain next year.” As of today we are now no longer British. The effect, the degree to which this will sink in will not be felt until 2010.
By 2012, the thing will be beyond recall.
We will never be able to appeal to people’s nationality when Britain has been deliberately multiculturalized to blunt any sort of patriotism to what was once the UK, Britain or England. Those concepts are now a thing of the past.
For this reason, waiting longer than one year into the new parliament for a referendum is time lost. People are not going to see the appallingness of the EU at all; rather they are going to see money artificially pumped in on a temporary basis to make it appear that the EU brings prosperity and stability.
That’s what we’re up against and it might even be too late now. The longer we wait for this referendum, the less chance of it ever coming about.
Already today, the Lib Dems have backtracked, [H/T Ian] Cameron has backtracked, Labour was always global socialist although, laughably, some saw it as stealing the Tories’ thunder. They have all sold us out.
Request
People of these fair isles, we are in the gravest situation our nation has faced since WW2. We are in danger, not of military invasion but of economic, social and cultural takeover and it might have already happened.
Please wake up, please cry out against this.
One way is to sign up to the Albion Alliance and at least have a voice – maybe a still small voice but a voice which will be growing.
Filed under: Politics & economics
Concerning use of EU funds for support of any view in elections or referenda in the UK, this would clearly be interference by foreign states. It would also, very likely, be in breach of existing law such as the Political_Parties,_Elections_and_Referendums_Act_2000.
I’m sure that political parties of any view would dearly love to have big tranches of EU or other government money in support of their case. It is not out of the question that Parliament might legislate to legalise such funding and even to vote for more of it. However, IMHO, such funding would invalidate the result of any referendum. Thus the result of such a referendum should not be viewed as, in any way, binding on the UK citizenry.
If you object to such funding on the grounds of foreign interference, or you think funding would be partisan against your stance, start lobbying now for any foreign funding (including that from any conglomeration of states such as the EU and the UN) and any funding directly or indirectly by UK taxpayers to be firmly restated as invalid and illegal funding for the purposes of any elections, including referenda.
Concerning EU gerrymandering, I have a small number of views. Firstly, the sooner there is a referendum, the less chance the EU has of such gerrymandering. Secondly, terms of withdrawal should include a gradual scaling down of net fund movements; thus, if the EU bribes us with (non-UK) EU money, they will have to go on paying it for years after we withdraw; however, if there is a net outflow of funds from the UK, the EU will gain. Thirdly, if Scotland and any other independently governed part of the UK wish to have a separate referendum, that’s fine by me: the English-only vote will not move in the EU’s favour.
Finally, I commend to you again, my proposed 5-way vote by STV. By having 3 of the 5 options in favour of withdrawal from the EU (and into nothing or some EFTA-like trading block), your view does better than the 1 of the 2 choices in the ’simpler’ vote. By asking the fuller question, I believe you will get a result more to your liking than otherwise. This is, not least, because many in the UK are currently very disillusioned with political manipulation: the fuller question, with less room for subsequent political manoeuvring, will make them more likely to become engaged and more likely to believe their view will actually make a difference.
Best regards
Seen the Huntsman’s piece on the implications of the Montevideo Convention 1933 and Daniel Hannan’s latest?
http://thehuntsman2007.blogspot.com/2009/12/you-can-lead-horse-to-water.html
I think we talked about this strategy before. In the Netherlands smaller towns and villages are administratively merged and given fantasy names that are unrelated with the location or the history of the place. The EU is doing the same at the transnational level with these euregions. I believe it is to severe the relationship between the inhabitants and the physical place they live. On a national level this is somewhat more complicated, but I feel at some time in the future the borders will be deleted and all ties with the evil “nation states” will be severed. These postmodern progressives are very sloppy philosophers: they believe spoons are responsible for getting you fat, that weapons kill, and that nations wage wars – so they have to go! We’re all interconnected and interdependent now!
Nigel, your terminology is interesting: “If you object.” The “You” was interesting, indicating that perhaps you’re of a different nationality?
If so, then forgive my reactions on occasions – I somehow saw you as British.
Within Britain though, people who considered themselves so and are now not, as of today, have become that way as a result of the actions of “foreign potentates” and the collusion of Westminster politicians who signed the document which led to today occurring.
There is a list of these politicians. Today’s situation is what they wanted – Britain to break up into 12 regions of the EU and they see no problem with what I and many others perceive as treason.
The reason I call it treason, and not in any wild manner, is that this change occurred not only without the approval of the people of this nation [at least Ireland had two referenda to get there] but also in the face of a clear call of a majority of people to have such a referendum.
You mention 55%, most polls had 78-83%. Let’s not quibble over percentages.
There is no way that any Brit can look at this post, at today’s events and say that this has been legitimate.
Your penultimate and final paragraphs made some good points.
Sorry, Cassandra and Sackers – our comments crossed. Yes, it is a known strategy. Sackers – I’ve replied to the Dan Hannan piece.
P.S. Glad to see the banners are back!
James has responded to my above comment in a way that, I suspect, indicates a confusion more than any difference of opinion or basis of arguemnt.
James writes, concerning my 3rd paragraph: Nigel, … [T]he “You” was interesting, indicating that perhaps you’re of a different nationality? [new paragraph] If so, then forgive my reactions on occasions – I somehow saw you as British.
In my 1st and 2nd paragraphs, I had intended to give the view that I disapproved of foreign payments influencing UK elections and referenda. Thus, my ‘you’ (and what followed) was to give James (and others, some doubtless in the Albion Alliance) the opportunity to object or not on the same grounds; also to object or not on grounds of unbalanced funding. I do agree that my wording lacked perfection; however, I don’t think there should be doubt there as to my Britishness, and nor (really) to my view that other EU countries (separately or together) should stay the bloody hell out of it while the UK decides which of several options on Europeanism (all preferably, politely and in advance, agreed as tolerable with the rest of the EU and other European ‘groupings’) it wants to go with.
James also writes, and it must be with reference to me: You mention 55%, most polls had 78-83%. Let’s not quibble over percentages.
Perhaps I did (something does ring a bell), but I cannot find that in the current comment stream, nor in the one to which I link, nor can I find it in my personal comment archive going back to mid-July. If it is material to the current discussion, a direct reference would be appreciated.
And James writes: Your penultimate and final paragraphs made some good points.
I am delighted that James and I have some points of agreement on this.
I’d also like to say, just in case there are other interpretations, that I have a great love and respect for the Scottish as a people. They often remind me of the English at their best: especially on common sense, education, science and philosophy (whisky too). However, I don’t think this will change if they stay within the EU and England does not (though there will doubtless be some modest decrease in convenience for me personally). If James ever posts on Scotland vis-a-vis England, I might write more.
Best regards
There’s no absolute rule in deciding when is the best time to fight a battle, but in this case I think the time is now. We ain’t got five years. Now is the time to strike, even if nothing can be achieved(damn it!)
JH, I agree with you and Trooper T.
Nigel, sorry if I misinterpreted. Whether Scotland joins or not, as you say, is a completely different question to England.
England, my country, ceased to exist today but Scotland goes on, albeit as a region. Ditto Wales. So, admittedly, the RIP is for England.
Trooper – yes, it needs to be now for the reasons stated.
OK.
I have thought about this too. If we wait 5 years for the EU to completely wreck our country, what have we got left to rebuild?
Haven’t Labour done a good enough job of bringing this country to its knees as it is with its spreading the love and wealth creating a whole layer of useless, lazy, benefit scrounging (home grown as well as imported) parasites. They’ve wrecked our public services (schools, hospitals etc) by having a free for all the world except for those who have paid into it for years and spend, spend, spend on quangoes, civil services, fake charities, lies and propanda!
How bad can we actually allow it to get? By the time 5 years have passed, France will have stolen our financial sector (thats what they’re planning) and we will be left with virtually nothing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the UK is eventually earmarked as a giant bloody prison like in that
film “Escape to New York”… perhaps that’s why we’re getting all the criminal filth and trash thrown at us so much now!
” to pump money into regional businesses” Who is paying for this? Our contribution is far greater than we get back from the EU as it is. You can bet your bottom dollar the biggest sums are going to the poorer East European countries and we will end up with well, not a lot, for our share, while they sit back and laugh at us (they are publically doing so already).
I love to see all this regeneration, it just aint gonna happen. This is a socialist regime, it’s the socialist way to keep the peasants poor and make the taxpayers pay for their benefits. They will also insist we take “our fair share” of yet more immigrants, when we know we cannot accommodate anymore bodies in the UK.
The creation of the EU was based on the teachings of the Frankfurt School. It’s so obvious, its embarrassing! Look at the main bullet points for their plans to further the advance of their ‘quiet’ cultural revolution – but giving us no ideas about their plans for the future – the School recommended (among other things):
1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
http://catholicinsight.com/online/features/article_882.shtml
Do you think this is going to stop here? No, its not.. they’re getting their first taste of real power now and if you thought Bliar and Brown were megalomaniacs, you ain’t seen nothing yet!
It’s never too late for a revolution. If the politicians won’t move, we will have to do it. Sod the EU, sod the politicians, they’re all after lining their pockets.
I agree with Sue. It makes sense. The Frankfurt School was a KGB trojan horse/fifth column inserted into the West to demoralize it with cultural Marxism. The counter cultural generation and their children live and breath these memes. The entire self loathing thing is Frankfurt School.
The EU is currently setting up a system for the “fair” distribution of immigrants over the union. My guess is they’ll make a division as they did 40 years ago when I know the Netherlands were “awarded” guest workers (who never left) from Turkey and Morocco. Germany got Turks and Italians, etc. etc. They’ll do a similar thing again.
With the regrettably necessary prospect of a hung parliament next year, the European issue might well be a clincher.
Certainly those of us now on the outside of the mainstream parties are likely to push for a referendum on membership. This will be worthwhile (essential) in its own right and also becasue it’ll show the LibLabCon as the confidence trick that it is and offer some small measure of hope to the freedom-loving and patriotic.
It’s a huge mountain to climb, but all successful movements started with a few outsiders….Or not so few. This year at the EU elections, UKIP polled over half as many as the Tories : 2,498,226 against 4,198,394, and 100,000 more than Labour.
Outfits such as the Taxpayers’ Alliance are adding to the movement against the EU, and there’s a lot to be done to keep the issue live and to make it real in peoples’ minds.
What have we North West Province imperial subjects got to lose?
Thee simply must be another post on this. I’ll get onto this now.
[...] Sue of Mumbled Vociferation mentions the Frankfurt School: [...]
It is ENGLAND ! not Britain they want rid of,for goodness sake get it right!
Though I wrote “to blunt any sort of patriotism to what was once the UK, Britain or England” above, I agree it wasn’t made fully clear until the green and pleasant land post, where I wrote:
This post was for those considering themselves British, the next one for those considering themselves English.
I should have made that clearer.
“Have you heard the one about the Irishman, Scotsman, Welshman, and Man from the British Regions?”
How people love to ignore the English.
The queen and her MPs have treaty by treaty signed away our rights to democratically decide our countries fate.
The Scots and Welsh have had referendums on devolution, two.
The English had one referendum in one of her ’so called’ regions and voted overwhelmingly against regional devolution, they recognised that they were English and part of England.
Prescott ignored their voice and refused to allow any more English a say on their future.
England is the most densly populated country in Europe, Labour have bankrupt us (possibly deliberatly) we have a growing public workforce and diminishing private sector.
Less workers paying for a growing population is going to end in tears.
Are the EU going to make Englands industries great again?
Will they pump in the billions every year needed to sort out our country?
Which countries will pump in more money then they get out to fund a country run into the ground by its MPs? Because somebody has to. We havew done it for years, who will recind this favour? The French LOL.
For years the Queen and Westminster with the media have ignored and undermined the English.
So much even you have made the error of confusing English with British.
There is a growing awareness in England of the inequalities heaped upon our shoulders.
When people are loosing jobs and benefits and services get cut then drivil like the X factor and Im a celebrity wont feed or heat families.
Look at the recent strike actions, (misguided) British jobs for British workers!Postal workers dustbin men etc, a change is coming and when the peoples voice is loud enough NO european will keep us members of a union we dont wish to belong, no matter what our EU friendly MPs tell us.
John –
Andy – no argument from me. I am English and for an English Parliament but I also have Scottish, Welsh and o/s readers so I have to cater for them too. It’s up to us all within the shores of these islands to sort this out but it’s not up to a foreign body, the EU and the traitors at the top in Westminster to do that.
But James, yor Scottish and Welsh readers will still have a Scotland and Wales While your English readers will be known by their EU regional area.
Scots will be from the Scottish region
Welsh from the Welsh region
I will be from the Yorkshire and humber region
It could be worse, I could live in the North East region or some other indistinct regional area.
The Scots and Welsh keep thier identity and go from one paymaster to the next. The only death is the death of England.
England: Discriminated against through devolution and the Barnett formula.
The English: Discriminated against thanks to devolution on medical treatments, on student fees, on NHS prescriptions and parking
The White English: Discriminated against through the Equality Act.
They say we are a tolerant nation, I think we have become complacent.
Too busy with X factor and Im a celebrity
Andy brings up another interesting point which is often overlooked: the positive obsession with socialights and the obnoxiously trivial. I believe it’s no coincidence. It has a truly debilitizing influence on young people. They actually think that’s news!
Andy – yes.
Cassandra – what do you mean?