You ignore the points I make and then shout “your wrong cos your a woman naa naa!”

Convinced me, how can I argue with that?

Now Uber – does your reply go to reinforce that statement or does it refute it? Post coming up.

Men are no longer men,even men who think they are men.

One thing few female minds seem to be able to grasp is that rights bring with them responsibilities, and those who plead that they cannot be held responsible for their actions give up their ‘rights’.

We’ll have ‘equality’ when women learn to take it like a man, and there’s a little more to that than being paid the same for doing less work, driving aggressively and wearing lipstick with battledress.

“That’s why I think a responsible girl learns to defend herself and take other measures.”

That’s right – and one of those measures is to not be in that situation in the first place. This is a bit different to women in Muslim nations who have nowhere to run. Our women at least have that choice in most cases.

I was saying you probably don’t even see responsible, but leaving that aside women should not have to take all the responsibility for a man not being able to control his appetites.

…and yes I know if he won’t then it is our problem. That’s why I think a responsible girl learns to defend herself and take other measures… and worry about the police prosecuting her after.

But if you are not going to take my arguments seriously then have fun on your own.

My case rests.

Women, most particularly feminists, can’t accept the slightest responsibility, can they? The proof is in your reply. Men go into situations after assess the risks. Women go in expecting they have the right to be safe. That’s the difference.

We’re just different genders, that’s all – nothing to be upset about.

You are generalising about something you only know one side of the equation of. I expect you see what you consider female irresponsibility but miss much of what you might see as responsible because it is often quietly done.

I advocate women learn to physically defend themselves. even tho I know, sometimes that just gets you hurt because the fact is that the average guy is physically stronger than the agerage girl if he gets his hand on you. But I figure it’s a bit like the Scott’s motto “Nemo me impune lacessit”.

The thing is tho it shouldn’t have to be like that. Women should not have to worry about guys physically preying on them. If he can talk his way into her panties then that is another thing.

Yes If anyone gets themselves so drunk they don’t know what they are doing it is not a good idea, not wise, tho sometimes triples get ‘administered’ and a girl gets caught out despite herself. To me that is close to drugging.

But take the sex out of it for a moment. If you didn’t lock your back door and you got burgled how would you look at it? Still think you deserved it? Would you agree you tempted the poor burglar beyond measure? Maybe think he should be let off and you punished? Feel you asked for it? You probably wanted to get burgled really didn’t you? Begging for it wanting to get the insurance money for a new TV.. you know you did.

I guess probably not, because while it is not wise in a world full of burglars to leave a door open they are still in the wrong. It ought to be possible to leave your door open without having your TV stolen.

And you know those people ought not to be burglars at all because it is wrong. It hurts people for years after that they might loose a ring they inherited from a loved Gran or something. Have their home soiled and made unclean and unsafe.

Decent people don’t do that. It takes more to tempt decent people beyond reason, much more.

Not one woman on the planet.

Poor helpless men with no restraint, no self control, self admitted animals it almost sounds like.

It is an excuse. There are some places where wet hair on show is considered provocation enough.

Honestly that way of thinking does not wash, no matter how diluted. It is self serving, weak, wrong.

Whatever religion or culture it is a cop out. A fault despite themselves? More like some look for any excuse for the chance to justify doing something they know to be wrong. And because they have the power they make the rules to suit themselves.

As for the politics that make helpless dependants of us all. Well that seems like a separate subject almost. Where is the self reliance the lifting by their own bootstraps, desire for real responsible liberty that used to be part of western enlightened socialism?