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		<title>By: nourishing obscurity &#187; Who should have suffrage?</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-82778</link>
		<dc:creator>nourishing obscurity &#187; Who should have suffrage?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] something I thought we already did, which comes back to a post here from some time back on rule by Votemeter, a relatively simple way to go about it.  The idea is direct democracy via a little black box you [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2536</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is too big a topic - this will be part three.</description>
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		<title>By: Lord T</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2534</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

And would the tests be about real world stuff like balancing a chequebook or just how to make sure that commas were in the right place.   The questions should reflect real world issues and not just a list of stupid questions like the citizenship one.   It should have relevance to what is going on and show an understanding that when you vote for X then Y will be the payment.   Not like California where they can vote for low taxes but big state benefits.

It would be interesting seeing what you think should be in such a test.</description>
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<p>And would the tests be about real world stuff like balancing a chequebook or just how to make sure that commas were in the right place.   The questions should reflect real world issues and not just a list of stupid questions like the citizenship one.   It should have relevance to what is going on and show an understanding that when you vote for X then Y will be the payment.   Not like California where they can vote for low taxes but big state benefits.</p>
<p>It would be interesting seeing what you think should be in such a test.</p>
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		<title>By: Rule by votemeter 2 &#124; nourishing obscurity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rule by votemeter 2 &#124; nourishing obscurity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the first part, it was mooted that we could, today, easily move to voting from home via votemeter and that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difficulty is in the formulation of the questions and that would be the subject of hot debate.  As the initial questions would be the subject of a poll and would be set by &quot;experts&quot; from three universities, most like and as those &quot;experts&quot; are Marxist, most like, then the questions could well be skewed.

If, however, reps from a cross-section of professions were to set the proposed questions, they could have the raging battle first and would be obliged to consider the public&#039;s suggestions not unlike in flag design competitions but needing to explain why they rejected certain questions.

It could be further enhanced by only public suggestions agreed by three or more currently registered voters would be considered.

Anyway, once these are thrashed out, the initial set would be put and registered voters invited to go to their local council offices and take the test.

After a quota of, say, 20% of voters had passed the test, then the initial votemeters would be available at major outlets and you&#039;d need to produce your certificate or electronic confirmation from the government to buy the set.

Now the parliamentary committee, association, whatever, puts the set of questions up for editing and the new voters can tweak the list.  The old set of questions runs for six months and at the end of that time, the new set is put in place for the period of one year.

Thereafter, the questions, which are up for review all year round, are altered once a year to reflect the new voting over the past year across the country.

Thus the test is slowly honed and the people educated at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difficulty is in the formulation of the questions and that would be the subject of hot debate.  As the initial questions would be the subject of a poll and would be set by &#8220;experts&#8221; from three universities, most like and as those &#8220;experts&#8221; are Marxist, most like, then the questions could well be skewed.</p>
<p>If, however, reps from a cross-section of professions were to set the proposed questions, they could have the raging battle first and would be obliged to consider the public&#8217;s suggestions not unlike in flag design competitions but needing to explain why they rejected certain questions.</p>
<p>It could be further enhanced by only public suggestions agreed by three or more currently registered voters would be considered.</p>
<p>Anyway, once these are thrashed out, the initial set would be put and registered voters invited to go to their local council offices and take the test.</p>
<p>After a quota of, say, 20% of voters had passed the test, then the initial votemeters would be available at major outlets and you&#8217;d need to produce your certificate or electronic confirmation from the government to buy the set.</p>
<p>Now the parliamentary committee, association, whatever, puts the set of questions up for editing and the new voters can tweak the list.  The old set of questions runs for six months and at the end of that time, the new set is put in place for the period of one year.</p>
<p>Thereafter, the questions, which are up for review all year round, are altered once a year to reflect the new voting over the past year across the country.</p>
<p>Thus the test is slowly honed and the people educated at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sackerson</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2519</link>
		<dc:creator>Sackerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, typo, meant moniker, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, typo, meant moniker, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Sackerson</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2518</link>
		<dc:creator>Sackerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judging by Deogolwulf&#039;s miniker, he would probably prefer Anglo-Saxon kingship. &quot;It&#039;s good to be the King&quot;, or even a housecarl, but I don&#039;t fancy being a slave or bondsman.

The requirement for an educational qualification was, I believe, one of the strategies used to exclude black people from voting in some Southern states of the USA. And now there are those on the interblogs mooting a property qualification. Anyone for a rotten borough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judging by Deogolwulf&#8217;s miniker, he would probably prefer Anglo-Saxon kingship. &#8220;It&#8217;s good to be the King&#8221;, or even a housecarl, but I don&#8217;t fancy being a slave or bondsman.</p>
<p>The requirement for an educational qualification was, I believe, one of the strategies used to exclude black people from voting in some Southern states of the USA. And now there are those on the interblogs mooting a property qualification. Anyone for a rotten borough?</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2512</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of qualifying for a vote is a good one.  But how we choose to do it is crucial.

The quiz test you mention here for example:

You would qualify and so would my Dad, it is in the balance whether or not my Mum or I would qualify.  That is because our learning base took a different path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of qualifying for a vote is a good one.  But how we choose to do it is crucial.</p>
<p>The quiz test you mention here for example:</p>
<p>You would qualify and so would my Dad, it is in the balance whether or not my Mum or I would qualify.  That is because our learning base took a different path.</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2508</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it&#039;s certainly meritocracy and I say why not?  I like the idea of having to qualify to vote because my vote would then mean more.  As long as anyone had the chance to do the test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh it&#8217;s certainly meritocracy and I say why not?  I like the idea of having to qualify to vote because my vote would then mean more.  As long as anyone had the chance to do the test.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2501</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment on this occasion had nothing to do with politics ;-) xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment on this occasion had nothing to do with politics <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  xx</p>
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		<title>By: QM</title>
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		<dc:creator>QM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might work though the accusations of setting up a meritocracy would be thrown at those using it. Technology is certainly there too, but would peoples interest be maintained and would they be able to follow the debates, There would be dangers of filibustering too until only those who support or want to kill the measure remain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might work though the accusations of setting up a meritocracy would be thrown at those using it. Technology is certainly there too, but would peoples interest be maintained and would they be able to follow the debates, There would be dangers of filibustering too until only those who support or want to kill the measure remain.</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sackers, Cherie and Deogolwulf - the post was flying a kite and seeing how it flew.  I&#039;m actually intrigued by the politics of all three of you - Deogolwulf&#039;s being the most inaccessible of the three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sackers, Cherie and Deogolwulf &#8211; the post was flying a kite and seeing how it flew.  I&#8217;m actually intrigued by the politics of all three of you &#8211; Deogolwulf&#8217;s being the most inaccessible of the three.</p>
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		<title>By: Deogolwulf</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2494</link>
		<dc:creator>Deogolwulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, your friend was not quite right then: you are an updated and more radical version of an eighteenth-century radical Whig. 

&quot;They can get knotted.&quot;

They are not going to get knotted. 

&quot;Alien systems do not get a look in and are just shouldered out.&quot;

I hope that includes democracy. 

&quot;the centre of politics&quot; --- the extreme left-wing politics of yesteryear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, your friend was not quite right then: you are an updated and more radical version of an eighteenth-century radical Whig. </p>
<p>&#8220;They can get knotted.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are not going to get knotted. </p>
<p>&#8220;Alien systems do not get a look in and are just shouldered out.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope that includes democracy. </p>
<p>&#8220;the centre of politics&#8221; &#8212; the extreme left-wing politics of yesteryear.</p>
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		<title>By: CherryPie</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>CherryPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One would need to pass a test on history and politics, set at about Year 9 level and taken at the local electoral office, to qualify to have one of the vote-meters.  Ignorant thickos would not have the vote until they knuckled down and studied for it.  The test would change every six months, with a rotating series of questions.

I would never qualify then, I am useless at those sort of tests ;-)&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One would need to pass a test on history and politics, set at about Year 9 level and taken at the local electoral office, to qualify to have one of the vote-meters.  Ignorant thickos would not have the vote until they knuckled down and studied for it.  The test would change every six months, with a rotating series of questions.</p>
<p>I would never qualify then, I am useless at those sort of tests <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
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		<title>By: Sackerson</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2489</link>
		<dc:creator>Sackerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching the BBC series about the late 18th century lawyer Garrow yesterday and wondered if we resembled the London Corresponding Sociery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching the BBC series about the late 18th century lawyer Garrow yesterday and wondered if we resembled the London Corresponding Sociery.</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/23/sovereignty-and-rule-by-vote-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moggs, naturally they&#039;d be allowed to study, not unlike a vehicle licence test.  The cost is to put a slight premium on it - they&#039;d have to really want to.

Fausty - this is true and it gets tricky when we speak of the already globally politicized plebs who are, after all, our people too.  We do come down to a very grey area here and there is no lack of bias.  We are biased our own way but we align our bias with our heritage and traditions, which they, the globalists, then try to counter by saying there is no such thing as Britishness - look, we&#039;ve pumped in all these immigrants so your Britishness is now diluted.

This then gets into another area.  How quickly we can be drawn down other roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moggs, naturally they&#8217;d be allowed to study, not unlike a vehicle licence test.  The cost is to put a slight premium on it &#8211; they&#8217;d have to really want to.</p>
<p>Fausty &#8211; this is true and it gets tricky when we speak of the already globally politicized plebs who are, after all, our people too.  We do come down to a very grey area here and there is no lack of bias.  We are biased our own way but we align our bias with our heritage and traditions, which they, the globalists, then try to counter by saying there is no such thing as Britishness &#8211; look, we&#8217;ve pumped in all these immigrants so your Britishness is now diluted.</p>
<p>This then gets into another area.  How quickly we can be drawn down other roads.</p>
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		<title>By: FaustiesBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>FaustiesBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We started our descent into &#039;professional&#039; politics when we accepted the government&#039;s taxing of our pay cheques at source.  This handed them the ability to increase taxes more easily and thereby grow the state.

While the State continues to grow, or fails to shrink, we will continue to have an almighty battle with almost all the points you raise in your article.

Unfortunately, politics has also been invaded by globalists, who lay claim to our labour and wealth, via bribable politicians who still pretend to represent us.

The lumpen proles are, in effect, also the enemy of thinking people - they being the leeches of our productivity.  To defeat the State, we need to deleech the country, then delouse Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We started our descent into &#8216;professional&#8217; politics when we accepted the government&#8217;s taxing of our pay cheques at source.  This handed them the ability to increase taxes more easily and thereby grow the state.</p>
<p>While the State continues to grow, or fails to shrink, we will continue to have an almighty battle with almost all the points you raise in your article.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, politics has also been invaded by globalists, who lay claim to our labour and wealth, via bribable politicians who still pretend to represent us.</p>
<p>The lumpen proles are, in effect, also the enemy of thinking people &#8211; they being the leeches of our productivity.  To defeat the State, we need to deleech the country, then delouse Parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: Moggs Tigerpaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moggs Tigerpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds sort of ok, I expect there would be things not thought of come up.

As for your exam. If you are going to have one then maybe people ought to have a chance to study for it, like one that was so cheap anyone could afford it, with assisted places for those who could not. Examples to practice on also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds sort of ok, I expect there would be things not thought of come up.</p>
<p>As for your exam. If you are going to have one then maybe people ought to have a chance to study for it, like one that was so cheap anyone could afford it, with assisted places for those who could not. Examples to practice on also.</p>
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