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	<title>Comments on: European Union illegal and not binding since 1688</title>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last sentence is the nub, Saoirsi.  We have found ourselves in a situation, through the treachery of Westminster, which has seen our powers subsumed by the EU in a slow creep.  So parliament cannot now undo laws at will but in accordance with EU Law.

This is our issue and why we need the referendum and even though a majority [on all polls to date] want this referendum, it is not being given.  We have to find the way to make it happen and that involves hitting politicians where it hurts - votes in marginal constituencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last sentence is the nub, Saoirsi.  We have found ourselves in a situation, through the treachery of Westminster, which has seen our powers subsumed by the EU in a slow creep.  So parliament cannot now undo laws at will but in accordance with EU Law.</p>
<p>This is our issue and why we need the referendum and even though a majority [on all polls to date] want this referendum, it is not being given.  We have to find the way to make it happen and that involves hitting politicians where it hurts &#8211; votes in marginal constituencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Saoirsí</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saoirsí</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t wish to offend, but my understanding is that there is no law in the UK that cannot be undone by any parliament on any given weekday. I appreciate that one can speak of an &quot;unwritten constitution&quot; metaphorically, or in a sociological, soft-and-broad sense of &quot;constitutional&quot; as being a list of culturally important ingredients. But this is not the same as an actual &quot;hard&quot; Constitution that is legally, categorically separate from and superior to normal law. Britain does not have a Constitution in this sense, only laws that are held, culturally, to be important. But this is not even a verbal contract in terms of being able to bind lawmakers. Sorry fellas.

And by the way, I don&#039;t see how creating an increasingly unaccountable EU superstate with none of the historical checks and balances of nation-states won by democrats over elites, is progress either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t wish to offend, but my understanding is that there is no law in the UK that cannot be undone by any parliament on any given weekday. I appreciate that one can speak of an &#8220;unwritten constitution&#8221; metaphorically, or in a sociological, soft-and-broad sense of &#8220;constitutional&#8221; as being a list of culturally important ingredients. But this is not the same as an actual &#8220;hard&#8221; Constitution that is legally, categorically separate from and superior to normal law. Britain does not have a Constitution in this sense, only laws that are held, culturally, to be important. But this is not even a verbal contract in terms of being able to bind lawmakers. Sorry fellas.</p>
<p>And by the way, I don&#8217;t see how creating an increasingly unaccountable EU superstate with none of the historical checks and balances of nation-states won by democrats over elites, is progress either.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you guys get out of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you guys get out of it!</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, having said all that, the point is that this is a corrupt institution dedicated to destroying England as a concept and subjugating Britain, as it has always been, from 1066 through to Hitler and beyond. The whole point is to rip Britain off and impose a totalitarian regime - there&#039;s no dispute on this - just look at the draconian wheeliebin legislation and avid prosecution as examples and the CCTV neighbourhood.

I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re trying to prove here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, having said all that, the point is that this is a corrupt institution dedicated to destroying England as a concept and subjugating Britain, as it has always been, from 1066 through to Hitler and beyond. The whole point is to rip Britain off and impose a totalitarian regime &#8211; there&#8217;s no dispute on this &#8211; just look at the draconian wheeliebin legislation and avid prosecution as examples and the CCTV neighbourhood.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re trying to prove here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jailhouselawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jailhouselawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heckmonwyke: I am not British, rather I am proud to be a European. Much of Europe was under the jackboot during the Second World War, unfortunately Hitler did not invade the British mainland, and this is why they said never again!

On my blog I report about the Havard study which shows that the Tories are the party which rips off the electorate more by filling their own pockets when in power. Not something I am looking forward to following the next General Election.

Sackerson: I believe in democracy, and this is why I support Europe to ensure that the UK is finally to become a democracy.

Thud: Becoming part of the United States of Europe is the only chance the UK has of not sinking into obscurity.

James: Some PR firm has just been paid £2m to tell people what policing means! It would have cost nothing to simply show people by actions rather than words and glossy photos. The PR states the police will answer a 999 call within 10 seconds. What it does not state is that the call is answered by someone in a call centre who then wastes precious time by asking 20 questions, which is designed to prioritise responses. As one of the questions relates to the caller&#039;s date of birth, more time is wasted whilst this information is checked against the Police National Computer to establish whether the caller has a criminal record. This means that someone who has a criminal record becomes less eligible for a high priority response. Given that time is of the essence in an emergency, surely this will only lead to some people taking the law into their own hands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heckmonwyke: I am not British, rather I am proud to be a European. Much of Europe was under the jackboot during the Second World War, unfortunately Hitler did not invade the British mainland, and this is why they said never again!</p>
<p>On my blog I report about the Havard study which shows that the Tories are the party which rips off the electorate more by filling their own pockets when in power. Not something I am looking forward to following the next General Election.</p>
<p>Sackerson: I believe in democracy, and this is why I support Europe to ensure that the UK is finally to become a democracy.</p>
<p>Thud: Becoming part of the United States of Europe is the only chance the UK has of not sinking into obscurity.</p>
<p>James: Some PR firm has just been paid £2m to tell people what policing means! It would have cost nothing to simply show people by actions rather than words and glossy photos. The PR states the police will answer a 999 call within 10 seconds. What it does not state is that the call is answered by someone in a call centre who then wastes precious time by asking 20 questions, which is designed to prioritise responses. As one of the questions relates to the caller&#8217;s date of birth, more time is wasted whilst this information is checked against the Police National Computer to establish whether the caller has a criminal record. This means that someone who has a criminal record becomes less eligible for a high priority response. Given that time is of the essence in an emergency, surely this will only lead to some people taking the law into their own hands?</p>
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		<title>By: Trooper Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trooper Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is a well established principle of English law that Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments.&quot;

Do you think the current criminal regime give a damn about well-established principles? Do you think they even know what the word &#039;principle&#039; means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is a well established principle of English law that Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think the current criminal regime give a damn about well-established principles? Do you think they even know what the word &#8216;principle&#8217; means?</p>
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		<title>By: heckmonwyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>heckmonwyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the council of europe wil get new powers to control rogue states like GREAT BRITAIN would they be powers to bring said rogue state to heel.Jaillouselawyer i bet you are proud to be british,the jackboots are on there way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the council of europe wil get new powers to control rogue states like GREAT BRITAIN would they be powers to bring said rogue state to heel.Jaillouselawyer i bet you are proud to be british,the jackboots are on there way.</p>
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		<title>By: heckmonwyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>heckmonwyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaillouselawyer so parliament cannot bind parliament, so browns 4years to halve the deficit wont be binding on dave when the tories thrash old labour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaillouselawyer so parliament cannot bind parliament, so browns 4years to halve the deficit wont be binding on dave when the tories thrash old labour</p>
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		<title>By: heckmonwyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>heckmonwyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who cares if the eu is legal or not we are an independant country and we can do what ever we want to do (if we had a  leader perphaps not the right word)or a goverment who for once would just say NO.then see what Rumpy would or could do kick us out, find a result</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares if the eu is legal or not we are an independant country and we can do what ever we want to do (if we had a  leader perphaps not the right word)or a goverment who for once would just say NO.then see what Rumpy would or could do kick us out, find a result</p>
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		<title>By: Sackerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sackerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jailhouselawyer: (1) I am not a Tory; (2) I was not describing Parliamentary proceedings, but the monarch&#039;s sacred oath; (3) if you have any belief in democracy at all, you cannot support the ceding, without the express will of the electorate, of sovereignty to foreign powers. Power is loaned to government, not given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jailhouselawyer: (1) I am not a Tory; (2) I was not describing Parliamentary proceedings, but the monarch&#8217;s sacred oath; (3) if you have any belief in democracy at all, you cannot support the ceding, without the express will of the electorate, of sovereignty to foreign powers. Power is loaned to government, not given.</p>
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		<title>By: thud</title>
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		<dc:creator>thud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people like Jailhouselawyer could not achieve through treachery and war they now accomplish through Europe.Nothing is set in stone however and The U.K. will emerge from this socialist nightmare diminished but unbeaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people like Jailhouselawyer could not achieve through treachery and war they now accomplish through Europe.Nothing is set in stone however and The U.K. will emerge from this socialist nightmare diminished but unbeaten.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What tosh, John.  Thankfully, the vast majority of this country support it still, even though this administration has sold it down the drain. Small example - where&#039;s a policeman when you need one?  But when you walk your dog in a park, they&#039;re right there on you.  Welcome to Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What tosh, John.  Thankfully, the vast majority of this country support it still, even though this administration has sold it down the drain. Small example &#8211; where&#8217;s a policeman when you need one?  But when you walk your dog in a park, they&#8217;re right there on you.  Welcome to Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Jailhouselawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jailhouselawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What utter Tory tosh!

It is a well established principle of English law that Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments.

Therefore, to claim that the 1688 Declaration of Rights makes the European Communities Act 1972, etc, unlawful is pure hogwash!

In February the European Court of Human Rights is to be reformed to allow the Council of Europe to grant the Committee of Ministers extra powers to control rogue states like the UK.

Time to move on, the British Empire and Great Britain and all that nonsense is in the past. The United States of Europe is the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utter Tory tosh!</p>
<p>It is a well established principle of English law that Parliament cannot bind future Parliaments.</p>
<p>Therefore, to claim that the 1688 Declaration of Rights makes the European Communities Act 1972, etc, unlawful is pure hogwash!</p>
<p>In February the European Court of Human Rights is to be reformed to allow the Council of Europe to grant the Committee of Ministers extra powers to control rogue states like the UK.</p>
<p>Time to move on, the British Empire and Great Britain and all that nonsense is in the past. The United States of Europe is the future.</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
		<link>http://nourishingobscurity.com/2009/11/20/european-union-illegal-and-not-binding-since-1688/comment-page-1/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek, no we&#039;re not letting it.  The only reason AA exists is to apply pressure.  We are not a logo in a sidebar group.  We must have all signatories write - we&#039;ve given the addresses and if it doesn&#039;t work, then one by one, as we see that a particular member is holding out, we&#039;ll publish it and hope you also will publish the name on your website.

This is what the people can do for themselves, apart from mass rallies which are ignored.  Direct pressure on the MP.  This weekend I shall be writing to every one of the sitting members and I hope some of you will do this too, as we can&#039;t be sure we have signatories in every constituency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek, no we&#8217;re not letting it.  The only reason AA exists is to apply pressure.  We are not a logo in a sidebar group.  We must have all signatories write &#8211; we&#8217;ve given the addresses and if it doesn&#8217;t work, then one by one, as we see that a particular member is holding out, we&#8217;ll publish it and hope you also will publish the name on your website.</p>
<p>This is what the people can do for themselves, apart from mass rallies which are ignored.  Direct pressure on the MP.  This weekend I shall be writing to every one of the sitting members and I hope some of you will do this too, as we can&#8217;t be sure we have signatories in every constituency.</p>
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		<title>By: James Higham</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Higham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Team Europe is pan-European.  Albion Alliance naturally is sympathetic and will do what it can but our focus is necessarily UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Team Europe is pan-European.  Albion Alliance naturally is sympathetic and will do what it can but our focus is necessarily UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Baroness Ashton, how clever of the Brits to try to slip a bit of nobility back in there under the radar :-) She&#039;ll go to the guillotine, I expect. And here is an implausible scenario: the world is in crisis, decisions are needed fast, Obama reaches for the red phone crying out &quot;van Rompuy! I must speak to van Rompuy! He&#039;ll know what to do...&quot;

I&#039;m off to examine the wording at the Albion Alliance declaration carefully again. Am almost thinking of signing up... I&#039;ll tell you what I probably would sign up to: a European Alliance for the people of Europe to get control back over what their EU is, and how they manage their accounts. Any such thing exist James? Your link to the Open Europe site (if I remember correctly) of yesterday seemed to contain plenty evidence of broad support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Baroness Ashton, how clever of the Brits to try to slip a bit of nobility back in there under the radar <img src='http://nourishingobscurity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  She&#8217;ll go to the guillotine, I expect. And here is an implausible scenario: the world is in crisis, decisions are needed fast, Obama reaches for the red phone crying out &#8220;van Rompuy! I must speak to van Rompuy! He&#8217;ll know what to do&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to examine the wording at the Albion Alliance declaration carefully again. Am almost thinking of signing up&#8230; I&#8217;ll tell you what I probably would sign up to: a European Alliance for the people of Europe to get control back over what their EU is, and how they manage their accounts. Any such thing exist James? Your link to the Open Europe site (if I remember correctly) of yesterday seemed to contain plenty evidence of broad support.</p>
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		<title>By: DerekSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt - whatever...

The point is we are letting them do this to us.  We will get what we deserve unless we stand together and say NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal, unconstitutional, corrupt &#8211; whatever&#8230;</p>
<p>The point is we are letting them do this to us.  We will get what we deserve unless we stand together and say NO.</p>
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		<title>By: sackerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sackerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, ultra vires. You may care to quote sections of the Bill of Rights e.g. the requirement in the Monarch&#039;s oath:

&quot;... I doe declare That noe Forreigne Prince Person Prelate, State or Potentate hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction Power Superiority Preeminence or Authoritie Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall within this Realme Soe helpe me God.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, ultra vires. You may care to quote sections of the Bill of Rights e.g. the requirement in the Monarch&#8217;s oath:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; I doe declare That noe Forreigne Prince Person Prelate, State or Potentate hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction Power Superiority Preeminence or Authoritie Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall within this Realme Soe helpe me God.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: QM</title>
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		<dc:creator>QM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashton is a woman who has never faced the electorate in any roll she&#039;s played in politics, she&#039;s an unelected peer, quangocrat and CND spokesweasel. That&#039;s right, the first High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy in the EU has never faced an election by the voting public in her life.

And they wonder why we oppose the whole corrupt organisation, at its most simple it&#039;s because they don&#039;t listen and they don&#039;t ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashton is a woman who has never faced the electorate in any roll she&#8217;s played in politics, she&#8217;s an unelected peer, quangocrat and CND spokesweasel. That&#8217;s right, the first High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy in the EU has never faced an election by the voting public in her life.</p>
<p>And they wonder why we oppose the whole corrupt organisation, at its most simple it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t listen and they don&#8217;t ask.</p>
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