Richmond rape – still not addressing the issues
What do people do when they don’t like a message – they click out and go somewhere which says something they wish to hear. This is a weird youtube, no picture but a sped up chipmunky type voice which I think does get down to the issue quite well:
The central and abiding question is why – why are young men [and girls] doing this? The youtube above shoots from the hip. It puts it on the father, the girl herself and the culture of youth. It touches on the role of alcohol.
We’ve taken leave of the moral constraints which marked us as civilized, we’ve abandoned constraint altogether as the concept of boundaries is no longer presented to youth. They see adults, the courts, the whole infrastructure, caving in the whole time. There is nothing to stop them doing whatever they like and they are still children.
You’ve seen out of control children before, you might even have been one. But this is something different today, a dog-eat-dog world for youth where the police are now the enemy of the people thanks to their being coopted for political purposes, e.g. the targetting of over 40s in Britain.
Why do young men have no respect for females? The females also have to look at themselves. Things don’t happen for no reason and it’s rubbish to say they do. You can’t take a continuing series of attacks across the world and say it’s just the nature of the male. Rubbish – young men were just as much male fifteen years ago but this was not happening to this extent.
There were constraints. We used to get blotto too and I remember driving the car home, hanging onto where I thought the white line was. We’ve all done it [perhaps].
This is different – this is nasty.
Something has obviously happened to remove the shackles and as I say, girls need to look at what they’re doing as well. That girl had every right to expect that when she joined those peers, that she would not end up like this.
She had every right. But rights did not save her.
The only way she could have avoided that fate, sadly, was not to drink herself and to hold the high moral ground and the only way she could do that was for her to be brought up by parents and teachers accepting responsibility, instead of, as the vid commentator says, “the teacher too cool to interfere”.
Burke’s good men doing nothing.
The moral compass is now so low, it comes out everywhere – look at Knox and the behaviour with Meredith Kercher. It’s seen as par for the course but it’s the most appalling mindset these kids now have. And it has made the schoolground and surrounding neighbourhood dangerous for kids.
Government equality legislation and PC tolerance and all that guff – where is that now? Is it protecting anyone? Is it hell.
The teachers, the fuzzy parents, especially the fathers who used to look after their daughters, the disintegrating church, all are to blame for not holding up to kids the right way to act vis a vis other people of their age and in society in general. A bunch of teenagers who attack and old lady or man are all the expletives you like but they were made that way because no one cared and adults thought it was quite OK to let them run wild.
The humanists have extinguished the code which regulated behaviour and here is the whirlwind that was the only possible consequence of such mindless attitudes.
And still people clamour for more legislation, more anti-discrimination bills instead of getting to the systemic problem – the abandonment of what was once by and large a workable system before the wreckers got to it.
People fighting back
Jenny Hardy is getting people’s attention focused on an anti-drink campaign for youth and I hope she gets somewhere. Check this vid and see what you think:
Do you think it will impact youth or do you feel it needs something quite fundamental to be done systemically as well? This was as a result of the Home Office moves.
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I fear this is a symptom of the downward spiral caused by men not being fathers to their sons and daughters. ‘Youth will have it’s fling’ as the French say, but if the kids have no Christian moral upbringing, respect for others, or self respect this happens too easily. The most I can hope for is for believers to raise their children, pray for them, provide the encouragement and support they need to survive into a mature adulthood.
It is very complicated but in my view it all comes back to the times when whingy whiney do gooders like Lord Longford push their theories that it is not the criminals fault. It is forced on them by society. You don’t take responsability for your actions and then it is you don’t get punished for your crimes. Then the next level up morally speaking start it and so on until there is no one left. Society collapses and the strong take over. They don’t believe in not punishing people so it starts again with people being killed or arms chopped off for crimes. We are just on the way to the bottom of the circle now. It’s a long way around. Whingy whiney do gooders. Spit!
I do very much believe in both these things. That person who did the top video probably had it right.
I think that the onlookers should be charged as well. In France a citizen has a legal duty to try and help someone in distress and I think that is a good thing.
There is something also fundamentally wrong with anyone who could stand by and watch this crime taking place.
I’m sorry James but in what way are you holding the girl responsible for this? Because she drank?
Alison, there is the point you make that a girl should be able to go where she pleases and do as she wishes … but up to a point. Like that yacht which went into Somalian waters, it was just asking for trouble. Now I’m sorry if that offends but it’s so.
It applies equally to males. There are no go areas for them too, particularly around where I live, which it would be madness to enter tomorrow evening. Julia M gives a background to that ghetto school and the racial mix and for the girl to have gone in there and to have drunk what she did was really quite foolish.
Yes, in an ideal world, a girl can have absolute impunity and should be able to do absolutely any little thing she wishes and everyone must keep his distance while she does it but that’s not the real world, I’m sorry.
The fact is that a girl has something the mob wants which a male doesn’t have. Now I apologize for that biological difference but it happens to be there. Just as an old person needs to take certain measures to stay safe, so do girls.
Once again, in principle, I agree with you that girls need take no responsibility for their actions whatsoever but males should. However, principle and reality are two different things.
It obviously has something to do with the moral standards of the youth of today. For example I observe at my works Christmas parties (people of an older age) if one of the females has to much to drink, even if the men have too they try their utmost to find a way to get her home safely (not take advantage of her).
I have seen this happen in other situations too, so I would tend to agree with MadPiper about the downward spiral and lack of respect in the youth of today.
Cherie, yes. Uber, anyone who touched her – 25 years before parole; anyone who saw and walked on by – who knows but some penalty.
Alison, Cherrypie,
It’s a bit of both. In the olden days women were careful what they drank and although they had fun they didn’t go all out drunk like they do now. Men as well were considerate and usually didn’t take advantage. Things have changed so people have to change their behavior.
Not that long ago, I remember it when I was young we used to leave our cars unlocked on a regular basis. Try it now and see what happens. So if someone has their car stolen and you hear they left it unlocked you think ‘What an idiot’. So when you hear of a girl being raped because she was drunk why should your thoughts be ‘She should be able to do that’?
Both should be able to do that. But in this society when criminals are not punished you must expect criminals to thrive and you need to take care. Its wrong but its true. A fact of modern life.